Not everything is completely relative. (If what you said was true, then it could never be an objectively "bad" choice to take away the choice from women, now could it?) I'm just saying, if a woman aborts late into her pregnancy (like 12 or 14+ weeks) she better have a good medical reason. What part of that is hard to understand or controversial? Or do you demand completely elective abortion for women in the late-term?
Since you asked, I think Roe v. Wade is fine..... unless someone can quote a section of it that is truly egregious.
Most people don't truly understand what Roe v. Wade actually is, or exactly does, or the actual reasoning and line of legal logic it relied on.
WHAT TF don't you get about it being HER CHOICE????? Is there a panel of people who tell you what your choices should be ? NO. YES, women decide what is the RIGHT choice FOR THEM....NOT YOU. Everyone on earth has the right to make the wrong choice.
So you're not saying it's not a wrong or bad choice, but just that it's their right? Am I understanding you correctly? That ANY choice the woman makes (no matter how bad everyone else perceives it to be) would still be the right choice for her.
I am saying it is up to the woman to decide which choice is wrong or right FOR HER. NO one else can, or should, decide that... The rest of my post that you CONVENIENTLY forgot to address : WHAT TF don't you get about it being HER CHOICE????? Is there a panel of people who tell you what your choices should be ? NO. Everyone on earth has the right to make the wrong choice.
NO, I said:I am saying it is up to the woman to decide which choice is wrong or right FOR HER. NO one else can, or should, decide that... The rest of my post that you CONVENIENTLY forgot to address : WHAT TF don't you get about it being HER CHOICE????? Is there a panel of people who tell you what your choices should be ? NO. Everyone on earth has the right to make the wrong choice.....that could include staying pregnant or getting an abortion.....CHOICE
YOU, HAHAHAHAHA , do NOT get to decide what choice is wrong or right for anyone else....how frustrating it must be for you
The laws of various states are an indication of the opinion of the legislatures of those states. Those laws are not a demonstration of anything else.
Precisely. Such people need to lie to themselves because they know full well that it is a morally reprehensible position to hold.
I know your word games. BUT, our law is about persons. My toe is of "our species". My toe IS human. I can make a good estimate of whether it is alive by checking its color.
This is just plain FALSE. And, it has been explained over and over and over again. If you are absolutely unwilling to listen to facts this basic, why are you here?
I think we can all agree the fetus would have a right to life if the woman didn't have a right to abort, right?
Which you conveniently exclude pre-born humans from, by definition. And you are accusing him of word games?? I took a look at his question. I didn't see any word games. I think you are just accusing him of word games because he isn't playing by your word games. Maybe you don't realize that.
You do realize in past threads, we've shown all sorts of examples of how government takes away choice from people's bodies? (like mandatory vaccinations, as just one example). (I'm not necessarily comparing vaccination to pregnancy, but it does set a precedent)
It is a little interesting. If the woman doesn't commit the crime, then she is punished, but to not recieve that punishment, she has to commit the crime. It's a very paradoxical (hypothetical) philosophical/ethical/legal situation. The only way for her to avoid a punishment would be to be deserving of that punishment. The question is, if she avoids the punishment because she was undeserving of it, and uses that to justify her crime, can she still really use it to justify her crime, since she is no longer innocent and deserves that punishment and therefore shouldn't be able to use it as an excuse. It would sort of be like if an innocent woman was in prison framed for murder, and some corrupt judge offered to plant some evidence to allow her to be released but only if she was then willing to actually murder someone.
FoxHastings said: ↑ Is there a panel of people who tell you what your choices should be ? NO. No, it doesn't, pregnancy/ abortion have nothing to do with vaccinations (which are for Public health)
cd8ed said: ↑ What crime did the woman commit that it is acceptable for the state to force her to carry a fetus to term? Why couldn't you answer the question?
You totally weren't able to get my post. I said she didn't commit a crime, but she would (by necessity) be committing the crime if she got out of it. I would love for the woman to be able to get out of pregnancy, but there is no way for her to be able to do so without killing the fetus.
You totally weren't able to answer this question: cd8ed said: ↑ What crime did the woman commit that it is acceptable for the state to force her to carry a fetus to term?
