You've already said that not everyone would be in a position to do medical tourism. If they are precious little lives, then why do you think that it should be perfectly legal to kill them?
Performed by who exactly? Is adoption the only way to make a difference? That's great that your mother did that, but how is that relevant to the abortion debate? Is it not possible to step up and make a difference and also think that elective abortion should be illegal?
There may be another thread where you are unable to describe how using government force would benefit society. The total sum of our discussion is that you are against abortion, but not to the point of doing more than entering text on a forum. If you could actually describe how use of force could prevent abortion, it would be you. Because the right to have an opinion ends where her uterus begins. I can respect almost any belief up to the point of forcing it on others. My example speaks to the false image of concern people try to project on forums. Shaking ones fist while wearing a pro-life T-shirt is the same as zero concern. Its easy to claim concern when the baby is in the uterus and requires zero effort, but once the baby takes a breath and requires 25-30 years of parenting, poof! the vast majority disappear. I have already listed ways people are making a difference. In addition to adopting, fostering, big brothering, mentoring, etc, people with a genuine concern are looking for creative ways to make a difference. There is a group that provides free ultrasounds to women considering abortion. Once she sees the image of the face, the little feet, and hears the heart beat, she can then make her decision. This brings our discussion to a close. If you ever come up with a realistic plan, invite me to the discussion.
And you were doing so well! I guess you just weren't able to go the distance with me! Few people are able!
The global warming fraud has covered up the truth of what is causing the fires globally. The fires are from TOO MANY PEOPLE sucking too much fresh water from nature. The abortion debate should end. The planet is in a stage 1 of human overpopulation. Those who want drug addicted whores to bring all pregnancies to term are delusional, sick, and totally devoid of understanding basic math andscience... There are two demographics still having 10 kids per couple, and not surprisingly, those are the two migrating everywhere.... That is the single best reason to shut down all immigration.
I took his post to mean that we don't need immigration because we are able to have our own children here if we just restricted access to abortion to those who treat pregnancy as an inconvenience. Hence his suggestion to "shut down immigration" Unless his goal is to just see American population slowly die off? Which makes no sense. If I'm wrong on that, then color me shocked.
You have worn out your keyboard dodging: How would you enforce abortion laws? Also, you were going to tell us how many you adopted.
I thought you had reached the end of your ability to debate me. You said that our discussion had come to a close!
Oh, were you debating? I did not notice. You gave yourself a participation trophy for going the distance, but never made it past my first question. How would you enforce abortion laws?
This does not answer what you mean by "describe this entire thread." You have no idea what I do or do not do, so don't pretend that you do! This makes ZERO sense. Read the question again: If abortion became illegal, who exactly would be forcing their beliefs onto others? Which why women should not be prosecuted for having an abortion. She has the right to do anything she wants to herself, but she shouldn't have the right to an abortionist's services which has nothing to do with bodily autonomy! The abortionist is working on HER - SHE is not working on HERSELF!
You've already said that not everyone would be in a position to do medical tourism. You're assuming that they "disappear." One of which is to have the life killed.
It never even got started. One simple question and your argument fell apart. The question you wore out your keyboard dodging is: How would you enforce abortion laws? In spite of being given unlimited resources, this question had you stumped.
Well, that is just blatantly racist and more of the anti-abortionist stockfarm-animal view of man. Immigration is not a matter of "replacement", that is just White Supremacist conspiracy-bogus. Furthermore, abortion and immigration are two entirely separate questions with no real connection at all to one another and any attempt to equate the two is nothing but racism. It is everything but surprising that an anti-abortionist is also anti-immigration; This is what Conservatives have become -- Fundamentally anti-american enemies of liberty and individual rights and loud proponents of increasing government controls on all areas of life. How does abortion cause the American population to "die off" and why does that matter to you anyways?
Oh the horror of wanting America to be American first? How about instead of rushing to replace our population with migrants we instead replace our population with home grown Americans? And then migrate only the best of the best to make our country stronger? Shock. Horror.
No. Anyone who claims to be a friend of facts and in the same breath suggest a ZEF is a human is living with contradictions and needs to check their premises. Everyone dead today also started out that way, so are all,ZEFs corpses too now? What is cruel and misanthropic is to stop a woman from living her life and pursuing her happimess and values by demanding she sacrifices it all for a mere potential and for a role and responsibility she foes not want. You are putting tissues above humans and that is what true cruelty and misanthropy is. No, it is objective. You are using very big words like "nihlism" with no proper understanding for them here.
Yes, it is indeed very horrific as you are equating America to some form of puppy-milly specialised on a certain breed you call "Americans". Why is it important for "America to be America First"? And what does that even mean? Who is a "homegrown American"? Sounds like puppy-mill rhetoric again. All migration makes the country stronger. You sure are no friend of Life, Liberty and The Pursuit of Happiness, are you?
Anybody who has to make such a strawman fallacy doesn't understand or actively rejects facts. You didn't really make an argument you just made strawman fallacies and and attacked my knowledge. Your reaction is emotional and thus not really argumentatively valid.
And this is where we got up to but you have FAILED to stand up to my scrutiny, completely dodging the post: http://www.politicalforum.com/index...s-on-abortion.580016/page-138#post-1073066647
Yes, so GOVERNMENT force! How would that be forcing YOUR beliefs onto others? If abortion became illegal, who exactly would be forcing their beliefs onto others? Which why women should not be prosecuted for having an abortion. She has the right to do anything she wants to herself, but she shouldn't have the right to an abortionist's services which has nothing to do with bodily autonomy! The abortionist is working on HER - SHE is not working on HERSELF!
