If you think two 15 year olds should be forced to - or are ready - to be parents, you are the one who should be "wowed". Their lives would indeed be wrecked if they had a baby.
WOW!!! The minute YOU decided you want to control women is the minitue YOU decided to make it political. For YOU it is religion. So, you are motivated by your religion to make it political, to use the law to control women in the way you THINK your religion requires - even though there is no evidence of that. THEN, you want to blame ME for being political when my position is that religion and politics be kept the heck OUT of this. I'd really appreciate it if you would stop accusing me of crap like that.
I didn't accuse you of anything. I blamed the scientific community. At least in all those White English-speaking and Western European countries.
Yes - this is the only legitimate, justifiable direction. Not everybody shares your religious views. If you don't want to get an abortion, then DON'T. But, the idea that the GOVERNMENT is in control of a woman's body is just plain NOT acceptable. And, it it is necessary to spell that out in detail concerning who makes decisions, who can be present, etc., etc., then so be it. It's unfortunate that is required, but if it is then it has to be done.
"If you don't like slavery, don't own slaves." That didn't work during slavery, and it won't work now.
You can not POSSIBlY blame science. That just plain can not be done. Science does not do politics. Advocates of public policy do politics. Legislators politicie, because making any public policy decision is a political act by definition. It is YOU (and those with your opinion) that make abortion political. Not me. Not science. You demand that there be a decision allowing GOVERNMENT to control a woman's body. The minute you advocate that, YOU are demanding that it be a political issue. And, scientists have NOTHING to do with your decision to make it political. Science may inform you of what is happening inside a woman's body during pregnancy. But, that does not make it political.
I don't. I blame bad science. biased science Just as there are many ways to manipulate statistics, there are also ways to do the same with scientific data, in many types of situations.
This is just such nonsense it's hard to believe. You are involving yourself in magical thinking. You need to leave that to your religion and consider the REAL WORLD on issues of the real world.
Sorry, but the 1500's ended long time ago and how can you be so sure about that? Raising a child is an immense responsibility and the grandparents are not even done raising their own kids. What happens to their college funds? What haooens to their grandparents' own retirement plans? What if the teenagers' families are already struggling financialky with their teenagers? What happens when the grandparents are at work? Ridiculous.
That's interesting, because it often seems that pro-choicers do not WANT to be informed of what exactly is going on in there.
Not everyone can go to college. Not everyone should go to college. If everyone went to college, that college degree would lose much of its value.
Science is science. PERIOD. If there is a result of science that is shown to be incorrect, then it gets discarded. Science is designed to do that as fast as possible. And, your manipulation thing has NO PLACE here. Science does NOT accept statistical games or inappropriately manipulated data. The statistical manipulations you see are coming from those who have a POLITICAL axe to grind - NOT from science. If you think that's not true, then CITE IT. You can NOT make claims this serious against science and then pass it off by vigorously waving your hands. I want a CITE - or a retraction.
How about you prove that specific family is unable to take care of it first? There might even be someone in that family who is WILLING and happy to take care of that baby.
The most biased science in relation to this topic is the abra-cadabra used to push an anti-abortionist agenda. The most popular one being the studies about fetal pain. That is not established at all and even if it was true that a fetus feels pain, the solution would not be to ban abortion, but rather to come up with new ways of performing an abortion. Something that would naturally occure anyways. Other hocus-pocus that is less rational is the ones used in this thread such as "homo sapiens" and "which human has two brains?"
Was "science science" under the Nazis? If you say no, it proves there can be an exception to your rule.
"What's going on in there" is NOT THEIR POINT. The point is that it is the woman's body and the government can KEEP THE HECK OUT. I'd also point out that there are very serious things going on that do NOT have to do with successful production of a healthy living child. The monumentally onesided presentation of those who want GOVERNMENT involvement are a FRACTION of the story and are FULLY uninformed. And, that view can be seriously damaging - besides being entirely inappropriate.
Really? What are those things that are more important than a healthy child? Yes, what are those other things that are monumentally so important, in comparison to the issue pointed out by those with whom you disagree
First tell me. Is THIS going to be your issue that you are going to stand behind? Or, is it just one more piece of total crap you fully intend to deny in your very next post? Which is it?
I thought you loved hypithetical thought experiments? It really does not even matter if it is the Trump family itself who has all the wealth in the world to raise far more than one child more. Even if it is Ivanka 15 who gets knocked up in this scenario, it is a true disaster for everyone involved.
Do you think government should stop being involved with taking away babies from unfit mothers? (drug addiction, etc)
