What constitutes an infringement?

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  1. Turtledude

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    only after holding that the commerce clause is not a grant of any authority of congress over private citizens.
     
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    What do you think is stopping GOP governors and GOP legislatures from doing this? What's your theory?
     
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    One, it's the feds that aren't enforcing Brady Act violations, and two, it's the Democratically controlled states that aren't enforcing gun laws against criminals due to demographics.
     
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    So the feds are now controlled by the GOP. What's the holdup? Exactly which democratic states are you referring to?
     
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    you really don't understand the federal government. The GOP will appoint US attorneys and the Attorney general. 99% of the line attorneys, FBI agents, DUSMS officers etc are the same
     
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    Why has no united states supreme court overturned the established precedent set regarding the commerce clause, and the government reading it in such a broad manner that they could legally punish a farmer for growing wheat for private use, because it interfered with interstate commerce? Why has this expansive reading never been reversed, regardless of the changes to the makeup of the court?

    Four times now, the united states supreme court has held that the second amendment protects an individual right to possess modern firearms for legal, lawful, and legitimate purposes, unconnected with militia service. Miller, Heller, McDonald and most recently Caetano. The precedent set is not going away at any point in the foreseeable future. To the contrary, it appears the precedent is being more firmly entrenched and expanded upon than ever before. The supreme court has reiterated that lower courts ignoring Heller precedent cannot be allowed to stand. Short of Donald Trump serving only one term, a liberal democrat becoming president of the united states in the next election, and three conservative justices choosing to retire during this time, this precedent is not likely to be overturned for a considerably long time.
     
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    does anyone believe that saving lives is what motivates crap like the Democrat schemes to infringe on our rights? tell me how did the Hughes Amendment "save lives" given there was not a single case-in fifty years, of a private citizen using a legally owned machine gun to murder anyone
     
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    None of the gun control laws you want have any sense to them whatsoever, and as they will not affect criminals they will not save lives.
     
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    No answer?
     
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    Did you not read the entire sentence you quoted? That's my answer.
     
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    I answered that already. The gop controls the Feds and most legislatures in the country. You need to blame sentencing laws on them
     
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    Is the lack of proper enforcement uniform across the country, or is it more of a problem in certain areas with specific demographics?

    Are crimes like homicide, armed robbery and assault typically tried in federal courts, or in local or state courts? Are the decisions to prosecute typically handled by federal attorneys or local/state prosecuting attorneys? Are the sentences for these crimes created and enforced by federal or state laws? I'll help you out - these are nearly always handled by jurisdictions other than federal.


    http://chicagoreporter.com/thousand...-being-dismissed-cook-county-criminal-courts/

    From January 2006 through August 2013, thousands of cases involving a weapons violation were thrown out in Cook County’s criminal courts, The Chicago Reporter found. More than 13,000 cases that included a gun violation have been dismissed during that period, shows the Reporter’s analysis of records maintained by the Clerk of the Circuit Court of Cook County. In fact, more felony cases involving a gun--from illegal possession to unlawful sale to a felon--have been thrown out than cases with any other type of charge.
     
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    Most STATE legislatures and governors are GOP now. States can make laws that override local jurisdictions. They could FORCE enforcement and sentencing. You can't get out of it. You run the show now....if it is not being done right the blame is on the GOP
     
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    Wow. That's 13,000 criminals that would have been in jail instead of on the streets committing crimes.
    But hey! Lets blame guns!
     
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    13,000 criminals in jail for years amounts to millions of dollars. You must love paying taxes
     
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    Again, are the problems with enforcement in those GOP states, or in states like Illinois as linked? Homicides in a city aren't tried by states' attorneys - they are tried locally, like in Chicago, Baltimore, East St Louis, Trenton, etc. Look at homicide rates in cities controlled by Democrats and those controlled by Republicans. It's not a federal or state issue - it's a local issue.

    Compare the homicide rate in Colorado counties like Denver, Aurora and Pueblo, all Democratically controlled cities, to the rest of the state controlled by Republicans.
     
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    State legislatures make the laws for the STATE. Are you saying that enforcement is fine in all GOP state but it is only NY, Illinois and California that have bad enforcement? I don't buy it for a second
     
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    States don't preempt local law enforcement and trials. The DA makes the decision to prosecute or not, and the local judge passes sentence. I'm saying that we shouldn't look at the issue of enforcement at the state level, since that's not where the decisions are made with regards to enforcement.
     
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    States can make mandatory sentences that local jurisdictions MUST follow. They have NO choice. That is simply a fact
     
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    Mandatory sentences can be for ANYTHING. Face it. Gop states are not cracking down on gun crimes anymore than anyone else. They don't want to have to build more prisons too.
     
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    Perhaps they can be, but evidently they aren't. Do you have a list of states with mandatory minimums for firearms offenses? While you're looking that up, look up the sentences of Jalita Johnson and Dontray Mills.
     
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    We are down to individual cases now? LOL Look if the GOP CAN do this....why aren't they?
     
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    that's some rich hypocrisy coming from someone who wants to pass tons of laws that would turn millions of peaceful gun owners into felons.
     
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    Power & Control Baloney
    This is what Liberals / Democrat / Progs are all about, Tax & $pend too.
     

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