What Existed Before the Big Bang

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    If the object that became the BB wasn't some sort of Black Hole, what was it?
     
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    If I knew that I wouldn't be here writing pithy posts to a discussion group.
    I would be working for the best universities in the world.
     
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    Until someone can come up with something better, I'm sticking with what we got.

    In any case, the sheer amount of energy you need suggests it will have the same effect on time as a Black Hole..
     
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    Since we don't know what time is, I would file that as hypotheses. Noe do we know what effects a black hole has on what we guess is time.
    Recently there have been theories that time doesn't actually exist. I have no opinion.
     
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    It's just an opinion.

    gravity bends space/time.. A Black Hole completes that process.

    Anyway, I have a hunch time is an artifact of the way we perceive things.
     
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    Einstein had this all figured about by 1918 in his General Theory of Relativity.

    Knowing "what it is" is philosophical and irrelevant in practical terms. We know what it does.
     
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    Not at all.
    What time is, is fundamental to our understanding of the universe we live in.
    And we do not know what it does because we don't know what it is and how it works.
    We only know how heavy mass acts upon it. Probably.
     
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    Before the big bang God existed.
     
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    Do you spend your time trolling threads that have nothing to do with gods?
     
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    It has everything to do with God. How do you think the big bang happened?
     
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    Doesn't this . . .

    "The most we can say with confidence at this stage is that physics has so far found no confirmed instances of something arising from nothing."

    . . . say enough? There's no way to go beyond speculation. And no matter how far back scientists are able to reach it still will be "In the beginning . . . ."
     
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    You have no idea what you're talking about. And I'm a physicist.
     
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    When did everyone decide they know all about things they have never studied?

    That is extreme arrogance and ignorance. The worst combination of all!!!
     
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    I jump in to share my hard-earned knowledge after many years of study, and end up arguing with people who don't have a clue.
     
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    Well you will have to take it up with various reports, journals and articles I get in my news feed.
    I don't pretend to understand the maths. But I do understand the theories.
    I cannot conceive of four rants against a post of mine so general as to be anodyne...and with zero attempt to correct them and dazzle us with your hard fought knowledge.
    So until then I shall continue to read articles by lettered scientist as they drop into my view.
     
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    No one knows.
    As usual when some don't know they attribute it to God.
    One day we will know, so God shrinks a bit more. As we learn more facts we need fewer stories.
     
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    You haven't shared anything. You have merely been abusive.
     
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    Yes, one day we will know. Scientists will eventually have to admit there is intelligent design behind creation of the universe and creation of life.
     
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    You mean if science stops being scientific.
     
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    There are already some scientists that have accepted ID. They are considered quacks by many others (especially by non scientists), but rarely are their positions seriously challenged. Simply saying they don't know what they are talking about is a rebuttal that can be rightfully ignored as being possibly ignorant.
     
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    I mean when scientists recognize the limits of natural science. There is more to the universe than the material world and science is not equipped to explain it.
     
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    I think it's becoming more common.
     
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    As long as it stays out of their work, nobody cares.
     

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