What good is religion?

Basically, thanks to Christians joining the dumbed down ranks.

Gnostics were quick to show the moral reasons to go Gnostic.

The intelligent Christians end there instead of stupid supernatural believers, without any proof.

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DL

 

First, you did not quote my comment, flatly saying that your thread is worthless. I have a feeling that is a bit of a misrepresentation. If not, show my FULL quote.

Second, and I don't know how you missed this, I did not criticize the other poster for merely calling my opinions, "useless." For starters-- while I am sure I explained to you my basis for using the word, "worthless"-- this poster, as you seem to like to do, simply declared my opinions to be useless, without describing or quoting any particular opinion demonstrating his charge, or even explaining his reasoning, behind the insult. Do those things seem identical, to you?

Further, my criticism was not centrally about his insult, but about his HYPOCRISY of doing this immediately after telling me to dispense with making, "personal comments." I thought I had been very clear about that. Did you somehow not understand? In answer to your question: that is how I am different from Greatest I am.


P.S.-- All the verbosity of my reply is due SOLELY to your inability to grasp the obvious, or else to purposely choose to misrepresent something, despite comprehending it.

 

Beats blaming the innocent minority, but given that Christians are trained to discriminate against women and gays without a just cause, it is normal for them to blame the victims.

What the hell do you think Inquisitions and Jihads are all about?

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DL

 

Greatest, I hear you and that may at one level if you are defining the structure of the Church and certain sects of Christians who follow hierarchy and authority figures and certain rules, but not for every Christian in those religins t rying to change them for the better and evolve past the rigid dogma?

Look I do not know them all, don't claim to and I get you. Lol, most Christians I know are obsessed with mayonaisse that's my stereotype and also that they have this thing with checkered pants and golf and telling people how to behave. But that's just stereotypes man.

You know there are so many who do not follow their religion in a "fascist" way and have evolved past much of what you would criticize. I can't use your description cuz I am a Jew, and there were righteous gentiles, (Christians) who defied their churches at the time they did in WW2 and fascism to hide Jews and die along side us in the camops. So I just can't talk like that. I must remember them.

Also I have to remember all the gentile soldiers (incljuding Christians) who died fighting fascism and Hitler. Have to show them respect bug time.

I met some Christians. They can be funny they aren't all grouchy. I have gotten quite a few to understand why bagels only need cream cheese and lox. It was difficult at first seeing them try put mayonaisse lettuce and ham on them, but they came on over. Now me mind you, I won't eat ham. Not for any major reason other than I had a pet pig and I do not get the hairnets they put on them to serve them and also people who put pineapples and ham on their pizza to me must be Satanists. I mean there is no other explanation.

You are welcome in my religion. All we do is ask people to try look at Mandelbrot's equation and his fractal design. Its the best we can get at talking about this thing some call "God". We don't have much to say about anything else except everyone needs to be a stand up comedian before they die.

 

More verbose ranting...
when are you going to get back on topic?

 

Gnostic Christianity, given our roots of Chrestianity, the better human centered Christianity, and the wisdom of the Gnostic Jesus, Gnostic Christianity is the best ideology that I have found.

Any religion that is intelligent enough to put man above god, --- even in the less enlightened ancient days, like Gnostic Christianity, --- is a worthy religion.

Any religion that put's god above man is based on demonstrable lies about the supernatural.

No believer can prove me wrong, so I must assume I am right.

Regards
DL

 

Religion is like sex. Whoever engages in it is of course a phucker. It is wh

Obviously I would agree with you but I would not state it that way or state you or I are "right".

I also think religion and opinions are no different than sex. When you engage in them you beconme a phucker. No point denying it and calling it "right" or "wrong". Cheers.

 

Based on the following, where Jesus ask us to step up to adulthood, rise above our own mental controller and depose the god found within.

Here is the real way to salvation that Jesus taught.

Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Allan Watts explain those quotes in detail.


Joseph Campbell shows the same esoteric ecumenist idea in this link.


The bible just plainly says to put away the things of children. The supernatural and literal reading of myths.

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DL

 

They "think" they need it? You just dismissed 5 billion people's beliefs. Maybe it is your belief that needs questioned. How do you know religion does not give them what they seek? Your "judgement" of them has more to do with your mental state then it does with them.

 

Check the definition and let us know when the last man showed his super naturalness.

We have some six sense, like telepathy, but if we acknowledge one supernatural realm, then that proof of concept proves many such realm.

It is stupid to posit the supernatural because if true, the number of gods is infinite.

Think Fractals.

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DL

 

Supposedly...Specifics? Quotes?
Yes, you have posed questions to me, in lieu of answering my questions. I took this for the distraction technique, that it clearly was. I asked you:

This was in response to your saying that you & greatest i am, believed in the same thing (which post, I just recently quoted for you). When you, "replied," you only quoted my final word. And let's see what kind of answer you gave:

No answer whatsoever.

Your view of the true self, the closest thing, you have mentioned, to God, is not, "anything about the topic?" Your response, to put it nicely, has not anything to do with truth. And you follow-up your evasion with your change-the-discussion questions. Then, in the epitome of specious hypocrisy, you cite my not answering the red-herring questions you offer, instead of an answer, as the justification for you not feeling that you should answer my question, because I must just be, "looking for attention." I had no idea that you were such a piece of work.

 

Any religion that cannot say that to women and gays, your religion should be fighting.

For evil to grow and all that.

This is your own family and friends who are being oppressed.

Regards
DL

 

That is after all the foundation of ALL religious beliefs! Atheists, nones, and ags included/

huh? I thought he sacrificed himself, how is that unjust to anyone else?
The guv sacrifices you! How is that just?

If that is the case then Atheists are stupid believers since they have no proof either.

Pissed off Muslims defending themselves again atheist infidels, what do you think they are?

After they have proven they in fact ARE above G/god, got any?

Hmm...I have not seen any demonstrable lies, post them to make your point.

Ah and there we have it, the cant prove you wrong threfore you have to be correct fallacy!

You dont know that is a 100% logical fallacy!

You are not 'right' unless you can prove 'your' position.

 

Lack of evidence shows nothing more or less than a lack of evidence. Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal evidence and it offers some limited value, which is different from no value. Often what all we have to work with is anecdotal evidence. If someone claims that they prayed to God for the power to forgive another, rather than commit an act of violent revenge, and then claims God answered their prays and they were able to forgive rather than avenge, we are stuck with an anecdote. How are we going to tally that anecdote? Do we give the person credit, or the faith the credit, or God the credit? What do we do if they prayed for the courage to avenge a wrong but 'God' did not provide that courage. Who gets the credit for what? How about all those millions of time, there is no documented record because they don't fill out a diary or they are illiterate?

Most of the time, people are not sitting around documenting whether their religion offered them solace, peace, a sense of having their sins cleansed, a feeling of being loved, comforted etc by their God. Those are very common declarations and they are consistent with the 'founders intent' as well. You don't appear to see those benefits as benefits. How often those feelings that they credit their faith and their God for, will manifest in different sets of behaviors? Acts of violence etc that are not committed are not tallied anywhere, and nobody is asking why they did not happen and nobody has a spread sheet dated from Sept 16, 1675 AD with a murder that did not happen, and a list of options for each peasant to mark, as to why they did not murder anyone on Sept 16 1675 so they could mark 'Because God told me not to'

I give anecdotal evidence the same weight, whether a person is telling me how improved his backache was after swallowing an herbal remedy, as I give to their stories of comfort, love and peace in the hands of their God. If they say religion gives them peace, I give religion at least some credit for doing so. They are the experts in what helps them each day to feel better about that day.

I absolutely agree with you that there is no independently verifiable and scientific source that suggests religion had done anything to dramatically change the nature of human behavior.

 

You are a proof of concept to this.

I don't know about you, but when I am right, I am right with logic. reason and moral stand point and can argue my position.

I hate the phukers who just say they are right and I am wrong and then just run away because they cannot argue for their religious lie or evil morals.

Regards
DL

 

So, you continue with your "unique" definition of religion that only you agree with....good luck with that.

 

It was a direct response to your question!

You are only showing the depth of your disingenuousness. Enjoy your thread, in which you completely control what is allowed, delving into the worthlessness of religions' narratives.
The gabmux doctrine, on the other hand...so devoid of theology's hypocrisy; instead, so honest, real, true to life-- and of such value!

 

I think the following well done reply should be all I need say.

You are a Christian, I think, so I do not expect an argument as all I get from Christians is silence. Without inquisitions, they have nothing to fight with.

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On Jesus dying for Christians. Try to think in a moral way.

It takes quite an inflated ego to think a god would actually die for us, after condemning us unjustly in the first place.

Christians have swallowed a lie and don’t care how evil they make Jesus to keep their feel good get out of hell free card.

It is a lie, first and foremost, because, like it or not, having another innocent person suffer or die for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral.

To abdicate your personal responsibility for your actions or use a scapegoat is immoral.

Christians also have to ignore what Jesus, as a Jewish Rabbi, would have taught his people.

Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

Psa 49;7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:

There is no way that Christians would teach their children to use a scapegoat to escape their just punishments and here you are promoting doing just that.

Jesus is just a smidge less immoral than his demiurge genocidal father, and here you are trying to put him as low in moral fiber as Yahweh. Tsk tsk.

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DL

 

Negatives cannot be proven, stupid.

Only positive propositions can.

You are taking the hypocrite and liar position.

I can prove my better morals. Care to engage?

I did not think so. No Christian ever does. They are hypocrites but are not all stupid.

They know they have lost on the moral front before even starting.

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DL

 

Im not, Im agnostic, but the foolishness you post deserves disqualification.
I am the one who unlike most believers can argue with you in your own terms.

I thought the story was G/god's 'son' died, not G/god?
citation?

So you are pissed that G/god condemned you to this planet or that you are alive in and of itself?

But again you have to prove it is a lie.

So you believe your morals are better than the morals of G/god? What is your measuring stick? Gays and women?

 

What I actually said was....

I'm not dismissing anyone by saying that.
My point is that religion has been around for most of human existence....
yet man's insanity has not been diminished. It's increasing.
Your 5 billion "religious" people are not going to save this environment...
nor will their religion. I'm suggesting a look past your religious differences
in an attempt to find your similarities for a change.
Religions promote separation by intolerance of other than their own preferences and opinions.
If "religions" are not bringing ALL together...than they have missed the point of their teachings.

 

So has love and kum by ah, what has that done?

Now insanity of man is a whole nuther subject.

religions promote freedom of belief.
religions also promote integration/association

again that is a completely different topic.

Why would you think that on the grand scheme of things the sole purpose of religion is to bring 'everyone' together?

Guvmint has been around equally as long and they have failed miserably!

 

That is the point I've hoped to make with the OP.
IMO, humanity is slowly but surely committing suicide and taking everything else on earth with it.
But if "religions" could all find the roots of their spiritual teachings...and apply them alone
without all the personal opinions and biases, they may be able to pull everyone together.
At this point...without ALL of us working together...I don't think we have a chance.

 

Ahhh .. I see said the blind poster You don't like the dying God narrative .. How about eating of the Gods flesh and drinking its blood - is that acceptable ?

 

Oh you did not know that there are lots of atheist religions?