What Happened Before the Big Bang?

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  1. RPA1

    RPA1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I mean, WHERE did the Big Bang take place? Anyone? Now, I'm not saying the Big Bang didn't take place I'm just sayin' WHERE did it take place? I watched a video by Hawking but all they showed was black. What was that black?
     
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    The Big Bang is considered the start of space and time so talking about when or where it happened doesn’t really make sense. Everything started at a single point which expanded (bang is a misnomer) to form the universe as we know it.

    It’s a weird concept to get your head around and I suspect such layman descriptions of it don’t do it credit. Luckily, none of us need to understand any of it anyway.
     
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    Where did the start of space and time exist? Musta been somewhere. Again, WHERE was the big bang? Why did it 'bang' in the first place? Gravity? Wait gravity came AFTER the big bang didn't it? Yeah, 'none of us need to understand any of it anyway'......What B.S.
     
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    The “start” of time and space existed outside time and space by definition so asking “where” and “when” doesn’t work. It’s a little like asking which room of a house the builder is in when he starts laying the foundations.

    Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for trying to understand such things – learning and knowledge is always a good thing – but my point was that if none of us do understand this particular concept, it’s not the end of the world (metaphorically or literally ;) ).
     
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    RPA1 wrote: What was that black?

    Genesis 1.2
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    Truism. There is no scientific consensus as to what existed "before" the Big Bang. Even the word "before" doesn't make sense as time/space theoretically didn't exist until the Big Bang. There are some theories which offer explanations, such as;

    a) NOTHING existed. I don't mean just empty space, i mean a NOTHING so incomprehensible to understand as to defy every known precept of science...no Time/Space, no gravity, no electromagnetic, weak and strong forces. NOTHING. It's am impossible concept to wrap your head around.

    b) String Theory - There are a number of theories tied into the Open/Closed universe hypothesis.One of those suggests that the universe expands, then contracts into a singularity, then a Big Bang occurs. The process has repeated eternally, in essence saying there is nor ever was an absolute beginning.

    c) An off shoot of that would be the "Multiverse" and/or Many Worlds Theory

    Take your pick.
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    I will just have to opine that since no one was there to have witnessed it, the only answer that I can give is, "I don't know."
     
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    No one has these answers...

    God IMO...

    There was no "Big Bang" and the Universe has always existed......

    That is is about as plausible as vibrating strings?
     
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    It didnt take place anywhere...time space expanded during the big bang.thats the explanation....but I find myself still asking what was the space in which space time expanded in and where was it?
     
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    No it's not and my simple explanation isn't God either so save that.

    No one knows and the Big Bang concept is about as useful as God..
     
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    Someone call hawking...we really need that theory of everything to be solved.
     
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    I don't need to.,,

    Indeed physics are tricky nonsense.... You're talking probabilities not absolutes...
     
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    That's not true. The Big Bang itself has evidence for it's existence. What's up for grabs is what was happening right before it happened, and what caused it to happen. That's where God can still exist and that may be the case for the lifetime of humanity as we may never be able to know what the conditions were beforehand. Whether there is a god or not, the Big Bang was the beginning of our universe, or at the very least, a reset.
     
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    That is BS and every physicist knows it - sorry dude..

    +++ EDIT+++

    I was trying to quote a different poster..
     
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    I’m talking about the definitions and concepts the theory is based on rather than its validity or accuracy. Pretty much any question in this field boils down to we don’t know (certainly we specifically as random laymen don’t know) but that doesn’t seem to be the angle the OP was aiming for.
     
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    How do you know what every physicist knows?
     
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    Yeah what happened before it all happened - well you ask some believers they will tell you its "vibrating strings" and others they will just call it the " Big Bang" and shut the (*)(*)(*)(*)ing door...
     
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    I wasn't directing this that you but;

    C'mon - because the question is being asked...
     
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    We can debate this idea tomorrow..

    Will say - anyone that can solve this puzzle WILL be a God..
     
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    Time/space/gravity happened "allwhere" instantaneously. Expansion took place AFTER that. That event alone contradicts Einsteins theory that nothing can go faster than the speed of light and is still being argued and studied. Compounding that anomaly is the fact that there is no central point in the cosmos the Big Big Bang took place.
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    Until someone has the answer we are all talking probables.
     
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    No nothing can go faster than the speed of light in our current physical universe. Einsteins rules apply to us not what was there before our universe was created. General relativity and quantum physics are different animals. Membrane theory attempts to explain both but is not 100%. There is no central point in the cosmos because the big bang didnt happen in the cosmos. The cosmos was created from the expansion and therefore could not have taken place inside of it. Secondly there is no center in the cosmos your position is relative to things around you.
     
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    you saw this side, if there is a this side, then you know there was a that side.... right?
     
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    There is a common conception that all galaxies are moving away from a central point. If this were true, it would be easy to find out where the Big Bang occurred. Instead, all galaxies are moving away from each other rather than moving away from a single point. The bang caused an almost instant expansion of the universe and spread it out wide, then the universe continued to expand from that point. In a few cases, some galaxies are heading towards each other but they're generally moving away from each other and causing the expansion of the universe that will eventually lead to a big rip that will destroy everything.
     
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    Physics were different during the bang. Things didn't really travel so much as fill nothingness.
     

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