What if the South won the Civil War?

The confederate soldier can be honored in their cemetery's. They can be honored with plaques, in the town centers, bearing their names alongside the lists of dead, or served, from other wars. The statuary is unnecessary.



Removed in the night.

 

Confederate Monuments Are Coming
Down Across the Country. Here’s a List.


By MATTHEW BLOCH, MORRIGAN McCARTHY, LIAM STACK and WILSON ANDREWS AUG. 16, 2017

Monument removed

Proposal to remove monument


A white nationalist rally that turned violent in Charlottesville, Va., on Saturday brought renewed attention to dozens of Confederate monuments around the country. Many government officials have called to remove statues, markers and other monuments that celebrate controversial Civil War era figures from public grounds.

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What if the South won the Civil War?

An interesting question. I guess one of the big myths of this war is the idea this war was a war to make slaves free. I heard the "slave-argument" held only the European nations out of this war, that's all. In Europe never had existed this form of slavery, which had existed in the USA.

I was a little fascinated once when I found out, that the soldiers of the South fought with much more efficiency than the soldiers of the North. Much less than 500,000 soldiers of the South fought against more than 700,000 Unionists. I heard in the beginning of the war the relation was even 2:5. But on both sides died about the same number of soldiers. There has to be a reason why the Confederate state army was the better army in this war. The Confederates were for sure convinced to do the right thing. And to fight for slavery is not a motivation which explains the bravery of the soldiers of the South.

By the way: Today we all - Europeans as well as Americans - are often wearing cheap clothes, which are produced from new forms of modern slavery - modern slaves, working in skyscrapers, where they never see the light of the sun. My angry question in this context: The people who destroyed the Confed-monument - were they clothed naked? Otherwise I doubt in their seriousness to be really fighters against slavery!

And please USA - calm down, calm down, calm down! Don't try to be as crazy as your president is crazy. He trains since more than 70 years to be a perfect Trump. Short and simple: Nazis are Aryans. Aryans are dead since a very very long time - if they ever had existed at all, what also no one knows for sure. If than they had lived once somewhere in Asia. So: Aryans are not Europeans. Aryans are not Americans. Send them just simple home into their hell but do not let come their hell to you. It's impossible to be a Christian and a Nazi, it's impossible to be an American and a Nazi: The USA fought against the Nazis once and the USA wan this war for sure: Don't lose now - more than 70 years later.

So ... what had happend? In the North of the continent America would exist now three nations: The Canadians, the Unionists and the Confederates. This could be a nice background for a PC-game for example.

 

The only problem: If the Jews would not had left behind them (and for all mankind) the slavery of the death in Egypt, then you still would be a slave of death. Are you?

 

These "what if ... has won" scenarios and questions are often given at nearly every historian war issue...

"What if the Nazis have won WW-2"...
"Hat of the Imperial Germans have won WW-1"...
"What if Napoleon Bonaparte had won the wars"...
...
Even I read somewhere about "What if Saddam had won in 1991 or in 2003" ...

About civil war it is common opinion of many historians that the USA would have been of course being divided into 2 countries at least, if not more, because the Confederation was also relative weak with a bunch of open issues to decide, but rejected for "after the war" to make.
Also is their opinion in majority that slavery had not survived at least, due to the international situation of eliminated slavery at the big players like Britain and France of this time and that the South would have been forced to give slavery system up.

In this issue it is also often asked what would have happened if one of the European big players went in on one or other side into war. General opinion and nearly undisputed by experts is that until 1863, a single Army Corps of them would have messed up and ended the war very fast, but since 1863, they would have been failed due to fact that the amateurs of 1861 were then professionals on both sides ... they maybe would only fastened up the end for the South if being on side of the North or made war longer for the South if on their side.

 

Smart move by HBO. They recognize both a considerable part of the nation that would LOVE for that to happen, and another part that would be so scandalized by the concept they'd watch just to see it's portrayal.

 

I suppose Jesus could have been born anywhere -- Greece -- Rome -- Germania -- etc.

My ancestors come 50% from Germania and 25% from Greece -- the other 25% is French.

Jesus could have been born in any of those places.

The Romans had the greatest influence on European history. The Greeks were in a close 2nd place.

 

¿Son of Zeus? ¿Son of Jupiter? ¿Son of Odin? ... sounds not convincing - specially because the Prussians for sure had made a law which would allow god only to send his son to Earth if Herod will agree - and Herod never will agree

Une Bier parakalo? Or do you drink Whiskey?

The main-line of our cultures is: Stone ages - Göbekli tepe - Fertile Crescent - Egypt - Greece - Rome - Middle ages - Renaissance - Enlightenment - Modern Times. But to all cultures and from all cultures are existing channels. We Germans for example are always fascinated from Read Indians - I guess because we understand our Celtic and Germanic roots much better, if we take a look at the Red Indians. Somehow we are not only Germanics, Celts and Romans but also Red Indians on our own and they are for us emotionally the same like other German tribes. There's not really a difference between human beings - and the relationship between human beings follows not bloodlines but spiritual lines. Jews, Greeks, Romans, Germans and French are by the way even the same bloodline.

 

The British support for the South was at least in majority due to economic reason, because they needed the cotton and a bunch of jobs were connected in Britain to tie cotton supply!

 

If the south won the Civil War Japan would be ruling West of the Mississippi and Nazi Germany would have controlled East of the Mississippi.

 

I wouldn't answer one piece of nonsense with more nonsense.

 

In the Greek New Testament in Kione Greek Jesus is called Yios Theoy -- Son Of God -- Zeus -- Zeus Pater.

Theos < Zeus < Deos < Sanskrit.

Correct.

 

You probably already have.

P.S. you need to get an avatar to go with your moniker.

 

That's probably true enough.

Although Stalin did a very good job of beating Adolf together with God's help and a very heavy winter in Russia.

 

I actually like Retsina wine fortified with moonshine.

But I also like tequila and mescal.

 

One of my German relatives found out I love history and she bought and sent me a book of World History in German from a German perspective.

The book begins with the Roman incursions across the Rhine by the Romans, and the first mentionings of the Germanians by the Roman Caesars.

Then the author states that "... due to harassing raids by the barbarian Romans across Germania's natural boundaries which were the Rhine and the Oder, Teutones united the Germanians briefly and slaughtered 3 Roman legions at Teutoburg Wald."

 

No Soros, Lefts, NWO, GMO, Antifa etc. prosperity and happiness.

 

Nazi-Germany never had existed in this case and in the USA would still live a lot of people which are speaking German. And Japan would not even be an industrialized nation without the extremely aggressive behavior of the USA against Japan a short time before your civil war had happened.

The Germans in the USA were at this time of history by the way in most cases supporters of the Union. They were against slavery and racism. Germans in the USA had often a good relationship with Red Indians and their traditions too, although they were very modern people.

 

The battle against Varus was a special moment of world history. The mass-murderer Cesar had not a long time before murdered in Gallia (France) about 50% of the Celtic population there and Varus had been a short time before in Israel killed complete areas and villages as far as I heard. Perhaps the stories about the child murder around the birth of Jesus find in his person a kind of reality. The "Teutones" have by the way [nearly] nothing to do with Germans. Arminius was a man from the tribe of the Cherusci. His alliance against the Romans broke very fast after this battle. A country "Germania" never existed. The name "Teutoburger Wald" is from the year 1616 AD and was normally used since the 18th century - specially because of wrong ideas around this battle. Before the area was called "Osning". The suffix "-ing" shows a celtic origin.

When the Romans came to the Danube for example there were no wars at all. The Romans found here high tech metal manufacturers and they ordered a lot of weapons and also other things ... Because of business no one thought about to do wars.

 

You have not in any way established an argument as to why you claim that Nazi Germany would not have existed. The Germans who were American citizens were never a major or even a minor 5th column problem. The USA did not get into an economic argument with Japan until the 20th century when Japan started to expand and gobble up land for resources. You need to go back and study history.

 

Stalin was given mega mego tons of US military equipment including boot, trucks, P-39 AirCobra fighter bombers, medical supplies, food, blankets, ammunition, and countless tons of other supplies.

I would hope that God did not take sides between the battle of Satan -Stalin and the Devil -Hitler. Nor between two countries controlled by ideologies of genocide, murder, domination of other countries. The battle between Germany and Russia was a battle between schist and Fecal matter.

 

Stop the garbage. The US gave Stalin two things, and that was food to help the people who were blockaded and starving in Saint Petersburg, and the trucks to deliver the food. Everything else was produced by the Soviet Union.

The boats would land in Iran or Vladivostok and the Russians would jump into the trucks and drive thousands of miles to Saint Petersburg. It was not only the inhabitants who were starving, but those who were driven out when the Germans took over their lands, and who ran into Saint Petersburg to survive the onslaught. It's now believed the deaths were way over one million people.

As for genocide, it wasn't Russia that needed land to feed its people, they had plenty of it. It was Germany, and in order to get it they had to eliminate the Russian people. Thus the genocide in Eastern Ukraine and Russia.

 

Yes, it's called Fake News" and has become commonplace in the MSM. The real problem with Fake News, and programs like these, is that many people believe it.

Maybe it's time to begin teaching genuine American history in the schools before creating further fictional alternatives.

 

Sure it would, just like serfdom ended in Russia 100 years ago.

 

But that wouldn't be politically correct.