What is a racist?

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  1. edna kawabata

    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    So a black man who says all whites are racist is not a racist?
     
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    A question with a question? We call that a dodge.
     
  3. Resistance101

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    This is certainly the most complex question I've ever been asked on the Internet. It's thoughtful and deserves the best possible answer I can give you. Please stick with me.

    First and foremost, when the Declaration of Independence was penned, it contained the following words:

    "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

    Of this document, the author said that it is: "the declaratory charter of the Rights of man." Thomas Jefferson

    Jefferson said it was a declaratory charter of Rights; critics have said it was a declaration of war. Either way, that document is at the head of the United States Code. So, it has a meaning in law. Otherwise, the Constitution would have been ratified on a sham. Bear in mind that when the Constitution was ratified, many states had already started outlawing slavery (being the first in modern history to do so.) Since each of us had unalienable Rights, everybody was able to exercise those Rights regardless of citizenship. People came from every country on the globe to take advantage of opportunities willingly offered. They could never be citizens, but they could partake of free enterprise and have their unalienable Rights respected. The Bill of Rights is little more than the codification of those unalienable Rights.

    When I was a kid, you could travel through the town of San Francisco and it was as if they had a part of town for everything: Tenderloin, Meat Rack, China Town. Drunks were in one part of town, hippies in another while the homosexuals had their part of the town. Back home, where I was from, your local KKK was passing out their newspapers on street corners at red lights and taking donations. The next week-end the Shriners would be wearing a flower pot on their head and taking donations. In my mind, that was diversity. But, the reality was, as I got older, everybody wanted somebody out of town, of the county, the state, and the country. The was no such thing as diversity.

    Now, what I miss about the Republic we once had is the unalienable Rights. Those Rights are inherent, natural, God given, irrevocable, absolute Rights that are not subject to a popularity vote. They are above the reach of government. The illegal ratification of the 14th Amendment nullified the Bill of Rights and today all "rights" are mere privileges doled out by a tyrannical government. The word unalienable has been removed from the legal lexicon and was replaced by a synonym that, in law, was interpreted differently from unalienable Rights. Now, in have "inalienable rights" that subject to government approval and are anything but absolute.

    Having said that, there will be no diversity in America and the masses are creating all manner of pretexts to wage a war of genocide against the white people. In one of the links I posted for you, that man is banned and you cannot see his stuff on YouTube or Facebook. He is censored and has NO Rights. Understand this from my perspective: As a former civilian militia officer, I had to defend people that I disagreed with; people of different races and different religions. Protecting Liberty and Freedom meant defending everyone. Today, regardless of my own personal view of America, no honest person can deny the war being waged against the whites in this country (though admittedly, whites are attacking their own and they most of the damage to each other.) The non-whites want the white people gone, their history erased, and never a mention of the Republic that the Posterity of the founder and framers created. My America would be complex to tell you about. I'm really mad that the liberals / left wing / Democrats / Socialists / Communists that hold the balance of power are censoring the whites and forcing many of us to take sides. I can tell you that Donald Trump will be the last American president; whites will be faced with total genocide or warfare; our culture will either be destroyed or an internal war will come about.

    My vision of America will not take place and, unless a miracle happens, whites will not generate a platform that they will all support. Without a blueprint, they are destined to extinction and with one, there will be an internal war. Some day I may tell you of my vision of America, but it will be several paragraphs long.
     
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    Cops violate the laws they expect us to abide by. They have this authoritarian attitude that the badge gives them immunity from obeying the law. They speed down the road at way beyond the speed limit, park in fire zones while off duty working as private security jobs, and things of that nature. The sheriff once wrote me a letter, telling me to mind my own fxxxking business. I was too stupid to obey even that. Complaints to the county commissioners brought the wrath of the LEO community down on me.
     
  5. edna kawabata

    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    Nope, I consider it a clarification on the definition on what is racist and a dodge on your part.
     
  6. edna kawabata

    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, it was a little light on what America would look like in your perfect world....but you did go to your favorite themes. The imperfect world.

    Thou dost no that Englishe changeth ofer tyme? You bring up the old unalienable/inalienable conspiracy theory. No rights are absolute. They are subject to regulation to protect others rights and public safety. Your right to liberty ends at your neighbors property or when you break certain laws. You may disagree with some of the "regulations" but surely you don't disagree with granting citizenship to all persons born or naturalized in the United States—including former slaves—and guaranteed all citizens “equal protection of the laws"..........or do you?

    Then you go on about the masses are creating a pretext "to wage a war of genocide against the white people". Hum, I tried to figure this one out. It must be by suppressing the white right freedoms until they've had enough and rise up in armed resistance and are quickly put down. Am I close? Don't buy your Hawaiian shirt and join the Boogalosers just yet.

    Facebook and Youtube are private companies and they can make the terms of use or don't they have that "right"?

    I don't know who these "non-white" people are that want white people gone and history erased. They may be imaginary figures that live on the right-wing internet to scare whitey. They seem to do that as in, "whites will face genocide or warfare"? You need to get out more.
     
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    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    I must have missed the political statement that got you beaten.....but you are sounding more like a Boogaloser, they don't like the police either.
     
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    You show your abject ignorance by calling the inalienable / unalienable issue a conspiracy theory. Did you study law? Did you go to school to study law and graduate? Have you ever litigated a case in court? Do you have a couple of decades of experience researching cases and Shepardizing the law? If you said no to any one of those questions, then you should stand down. I can say yes to all of those questions. Unalienable Rights ARE absolute and were declared so by the United States Supreme Court. AFTER the illegally ratified 14th Amendment, the courts used THAT Amendment to say no "right" is absolute and when they give a legal justification, the high Court says a "right" exists by virtue of the 14th Amendment which is the Court granting you a Right... which is NOT an unalienable Right. That is a fact. So factual is that statement that the word unalienable is no longer in the legal lexicon. It is an archaic concept which is why the socialists can claim no Right is absolute. The truth there comes down to this: The courts will not deny you what was once an unalienable Right without invoking the illegally ratified 14th Amendment. Glad to give you a few court holdings if you'd like to debate the point further.

    China, Japan, North Korea, and South Korea among many other countries that are more than 98 percent homogeneous. You speak with a forked tongue. You want me to say that it is somehow unreasonable for a people to have the Right to self determination, yet if I took the stuff out of your house that was made in those homogeneous countries, I could fit the balance of what you own into one of your bathrooms. The mixed multitude has sent America a clear and unequivocal statement: There is no longer any room for the white man in the United States of America. America was founded by whites for the advancement, preservation and protection of the white race. Our system of jurisprudence is predicated on Anglo Saxon law and our concept or right and wrong was developed on biblical principles. The enemies of America want to change the moral compass of America and institute a foreign government that is committing genocide against every facet of our heritage, culture and race.

    You have no problem with your tax dollars being used to defend Saudi Arabia because they are an ally of the United States. And while we send our own to die for their interests, Christians cannot openly practice their faith there. Neither can anyone except Muslims become citizens. But, you're on my back like flies on a fresh turd because if you can sell that "white supremacist" B.S., then it's conversation over. No, if anyone here has advocated racism above any other poster on this thread, it is YOU. But, bottom line, I see nothing inherently wrong with citizenship being limited to whites. Americans have observed the Right for every race, color, creed, religion and political belief except white people all across this globe. You want to use the power of mob rule to destroy America via multiculturalism AND you want to keep alive the narrative that a country made up of whites in control of their destiny would somehow be different than a country made up of over a billion Chinese. No matter how you slice it, dice it, cut it or dress it up, that is as much a racist postulate as Hitler's dream of a master race. But, go ahead. Misrepresent my position to fit your narrative. It will certainly help your credibility (NOT.)
     
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    Edna, the only people that have a legitimate right to hate the police are Black Lives Matter. Black Lives Matter because White Lives Do NOT Matter. And because I dared to go up against the system and get beaten up physically, you want to now dream up a dishonest narrative that I'm a "loser." Damnable stupidity! In that case, it never made it to trial. It never made it past the first day! When my initial hearing took place, the judge dropped the charges. In another case I had to go up against a well seasoned LEO. He lost as well - in court. But, that is irrelevant. That I even had the encounters makes me a loser because the black people that get arrested are all innocent and the only guilty people are white in color. You're pretty much telling me what makes you tick.
     
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    Thanks for your response. You make it clear you have no idea how to respond to the points I made or the challenges I directly placed to your negative generalizations of all whites.

    The patronizing "mess" comment ends it. You can't debate don't. However don't hide behind the word "mess" to run from debate. Use that technique or your circular arguments where you avoid debating with someone else. I am done.

    Here let me spell this out. You are as racist as anyone you call racist. You use the exact same negative stereotyping exercises and you display the same inability to accept any possible perception of life other than your own.

    Buh bye now.
     
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    The point some of us have made and will continue to make is that reducing complex issues of conflict to a simple black v. white racist conceptualization will not help resolve the conflicts because it does not take the time to properly analyze the conflicts and understand their cause and effect origins.
     
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    The race you are talking about is better off in the United States than in any country ruled by people of their race. They need us. I think we do not need them.
     
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    You engage in the same negative generalizations of others on this thread including Edna. Negative generalizations are pointless. To say the US don't need people as you have said is illogical. Citizens are needed to pay taxes to finance the roads, schools, prisons, government services.

    People are needed to generate economic activity which spins off and benefits and employs others.
     
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    "Colored person" = racist

    "Person of color" = not racist

    Conclusion- "of" is racist.
     
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    What happened in Rwanda indicates that diversity is not our strength. It is a source of discord. The growing diversity of the U.S. population is the major reason for the growing polarization of American politics.

    I believe that centuries from now historians will blame the fall of Western civilization on multi racialism. Civilization will continue and thrive in Eastern Europe and the Far East. After rejecting the lies of Marxist Leninism and Maoism the Slavs and the Chinese find it easy to dismiss the delusions that "Race is only a social construct," and "We are all the same under the skin."

    As governments in the West lose the ability to govern well there may be a restoration of tribes in the West. Tribes exist when the government is weak, ineffectual, or does not exist. The tribes will begin as armed militias of friends and relatives who join together to protect their lives and property from marauding gangs of criminals.

    An advantage the Chinese have over us is that they lack our squeamishness about discovering the genetic reasons for individual and average racial differences in characteristics necessary for the creation and maintenance of successful societies and civilizations. These are intelligence, obedience to the law, and monogamy.

    As the sun sets on the West it rises on the East. If you have children try to get them to learn Mandarin, Russian, or both. The East is not red. It is where the future is.





     
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    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    Okay. I think we all get where you're coming from.
     
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    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    To make the assumption that I believe all whites are racist, and I don't, without any evidence is ignorant.

    You referenced a quote, wrongly attributed to me, that I used as illustration of a poster's racism. This person believes African Americans should not have been given citizenship. Why? Because they are not white. You don't think I should call that racist? Am I stereotypically "reducing complex issues of conflict to a simple black v. white racist conceptualization'? Yeah, because that's the level we're working with here in the US of A. And that makes me racist?
     
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    And we'd be better off without them wouldn't we? Come on, say it....
     
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    Yet another false conclusion by Creasy....The lack of "of", of course is racist.
     
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    This is precisely correct. Racism is a specific form of bigotry, which is a specific form of the compositional error fallacy, as I described earlier.

    In bigotry, the class is still 'people', but there is no 'physical trait' as the property, as there is in racism.
     
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    Racist post summarily dismissed.
     
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    It's not been happening to all blacks...
     
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    Racism is the generalization of a trait other than race to an entire race of people, sometimes based on comparative group averages, and sometimes based on tribal animosity. Anybody can be racist, and to some extent, we all are. Once you recognize that you can then guard against it.

    Just because Timmy is white and Lamar is black tells you nothing else about the two boys. It doesnt tell you which is from the richer family, which has a criminal record or which is talented at dancing.
     
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    The crime rate would be a lot lower. The cost of our criminal justice and welfare systems would be lower. We would be worse off if you think high rates of crime, criminal justice spending, and welfare spending are beneficial. You would be worse off if you enjoy working with fire proof beneficiaries of affirmative action who cannot do their jobs, do not try and do not care, and if you criticize them you risk your job. Decide for yourself.
     
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