What is Islam?

I m a Turk and live in Turkey. In Turkey we have laws against religion of Islam. So that we do not feel the harmful sides of this religion.

But in fact, Islam is a big real terorist idea on this planet. It sustain cihad that is a war against all non-muslim. But in real it hates its own humans. Islam do not give any rights to women, they can be married when they are in 10, to be beaten, etc. They have no rights to be human.

Like this if you want to choose not believe in Islam, you will be hanged or your head is cut.

In 1923 Ataturk, the founder of Turkey, saw that Islamic laws gave harms to human in Turkey, when the Ottoman empire had end, forbidden the Islamic laws.

Islam gets its life from radicalism. It has a radical nature and it will never stop if it is not be stopped.

 

So true. But the Islamists seem to be gaining much power, at least from what I read. In America, we are obviously fighting Islam with our lives and treasure (Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, etc.)

1. Have you checked out modern Secular Humanism (Dawkins, Dennet, Harris, etc.) as it provides a talking-snake-free alternative to Islam and Christianity.
2. How do you feel that we can best defeat Mohammad and his minion's desire to implement barbaric Sharia Law, once and for all? (My answer is see #1 above!) Christians can't counter, say, Mohammad's flying horse, with their own talking donkey, for example! But Secular Humanism can indeed counter Islam....with science, reason, and common sense, which are of course lacking with any belief system that has a talking dead guy (Christianity) as it's namesake.

 

The Islamists seem to be gaining power in TURKEY, I should have written.

 

Me thinks someone just got a little bit too much of a propganda website.

 

He's right, because www.thereligionofpeace.com lists over NINETEEN THOUSAND Islamic terrorist attacks since 9/11 alone. So he's right that Islam is a clear terrorist threat. If you don't like that "propganda website", then please tell us where we can find a more accurate figure.

Also, he's right about women: Quran 4:34 says:that women are inferior to men and instructs men to beat them.
Quran 2:221 says a Muslim women can't marry a non-Muslim man. Horrific.

 

I'm sorry, where can we see the list of Islamic attacks? I'm not finding it.

You know, when the Koran was collected/written, women had more rights in an Islamic soceity, then in most other places.

 

1. The list is to the left of "Islam's Latest Contributions to Peace", in the leftmost column. www.thereligionofpeace.com

2. Holy crap, you're living in the 7th century! Islam says in 33:21 the Mohammad is the ultimate role model for all time....that means today! Who cares what other beliefs did relatively 1400 YEARS ago, since he's their role model TODAY. Is your middle name "super-apologist-extraordinaire" because that's what you're trying real hard to do, apologize for barbaric, supremacist, violent behavior. In that one verse alone it says men are superior, are "in charge" of women (kind of like being in charge of a pet kitten, I guess), and instructs a man to beat his wife! Another verse says women's testimony in a court of law is worth 50% of a man's! He's a sexist pig, just admit it, or do you AGREE with Mohammad that women are inferior and should be beaten?

 

Seriously, 4:34 and 2:221 don't bother you, do they? Incredible. Your religiously-inspired political correctness is overtaking your common sense and sense of fairness. Only religion, or drugs/alcohol, or mental illness could do that.

Let me ask you, what, hypothetically speaking, WOULD Mohammad have had to do for you to condemn him on this forum, just hypothetically? Been a slaver owner....a pedophile....said to kill all the Jews, just what?

 

Don't forget how Paul told Christian men to control their wives.

 

Can you just give me the link? I'm not seeing it.

All caps rage noted. You can quote all you want of the Koran, but it won't put it context. I'm not here to say it's right or wrong, but it's their culture. They can believe what they want to believe in. That's legal. We have no right to be saying what's right or wrong.

 

Ethnocentrism will not get you far in this debate. Put it in context, it actually gave women more rights. Women were able to sue, own property, well before most other women. And I don't know what Mohammad would say. I don't know alot about him.

 

Yes, most religions are equally disgusting. Modern Secular Humanism does not contain wording advocating mal-treatment of women, unlike Hinduism, Islam, Judaism, Jesus' foul book, Buddhism, etc.

 

Wow, after your post I now believe in REINCARNATION! Thanks, Neville Chamberlain, good to see you've reincarnated and now live in New York.
Can you say that it's wrong to kill gays, just because some pedophile said to 1400 years ago w/no proof whatsoever that he was "god's final prophet"?
Can you say that if Mohammad had sex with your little sister when she was 9 years old that Mohammad was wrong (like Aisha's older siblings would say, if they were moral)?
Can you say that Hitler was wrong to want to kill all the Jews? Can you say that Mohammad was wrong to say that good things (the end of days) would not come until Muslims kill the Jews ("and the Jews will hide behind a rock.....")?

 

Hypothetically speaking, WOULD Mohammad HAVE HAD TO do for you to condemn him on this forum, just hypothetically? Being a slave owner....a pedophile....said to kill all the Jews, just what?

 

You want to have a serious discussion, or are you just going to keep acting like this?

 

No idea.

10 char.

 

I've honestly never met anyone who can't even make a simple moral decision like you apparently can't, such as in my post #13 and #14. I find this disturbing, but fascinating.

It kind of reminds me of the stories you hear of people who hear the neighborhood drunk viciously beating his child over and over again, but they never make the moral decision (afraid to JUDGE PEOPLE!) to notify authorities because it would be judging people with their own morals, and that's verboten. The world would be a better place if people would have the spine to stand up for their moral beliefs, such as saying that Mohammad was wrong in violating a 9 year old girl, sexually.

Can you say that fighting against the Infidel in a Jihad is morally wrong, such as is advocated by the Islamic texts?

If EVERYBODY was like you apparently are, then the bad guys could get away with anything (such as beating their wives like Quran 4:34), as no one would have the moral back-bone (can't "judge", now can we) to stand up to them. People who can't judge at all end up being ruled by despots, as they are never morally strong enough to fight for democracy.

For the record, modern Secular Humanism's morals are far far superior to Islams, and Christianity's (kill gays, approve of slavery, Jews go to hell - all 3 of these were advocated by Hitler, too), and they are much better for the world.

I'm done.

 

1. I'm not an ethnocentrist. Cultures rarely behave badly for any long periods of time. It's simply counter productive. Knowing that, makes you simply realize there are no bad cultures in the world.
2. Your story has nothing to do with my argument.
3. If you're done throwing up strawman arguments, then okay. Let's have a honest debate.

 

Were the Nazis immoral?

 

Knock off the nazi comparsion.

 

I must be developing, like, super Jesus powers of mind-reading, because I just **KNEW** YOU'D SAY THAT!

You absolutely fascinate me. I'm certain that you are a very caring person, but I can't figure out how a very caring person such as yourself could not be willing to make moral decisions. Seriously, I honestly do feel you are a very good person, as such, so please don't take that the wrong way.

P.S. Nazis, despots like Saddam, and Al Qaeda just LOVE people like you (I believe "Dhimmi" is what AQ dreams that all non-Muslims were), as people like that are very very easy to control with their brutal totalitarian systems, because they can't stand up for what they believe in. Modern Secular Humanists?...not so much.

 

Because I say that every time someone makes a nazi comparsion?

Easy. I think. I don't act unless I think about it first.

Knock off the Nazi comparsion now.

 

I find it fascinating how you can so casually trash and demonize my entire culture/religion and people . Must be easy , seeing the world in black and white saying we're good their evil . You know there's a word for this condition it's called fundamentalism mush like those terrorist Muslims who also see the world in black and white.

Oh there's one thing you forgot to mention about Hitler , he also like yourself ; regraded a certain culture/religion with unbridled hatred.

 

I don't hate Muslims (if that's who you are referring to?), I love Muslims and all peoples....I do have a much better alternative than the Islamic/Christian belief system, however...if one judges that based on science, reason, critical thinking, evidence, and common sense, NOT on faith, superstition, existing culture, fear, tradition, etc.

Hitler is a popular guy on this forum. Speaking of Hitler, The Islamic Republic ("Iran") CLEARLY, CLEARLY wants Holocaust II, because Mohammad said that the end of days will not come until the Muslims kill the Jews ("....a Jew will hide behind a rock and the rock will say..."). We wouldn't be in the longest war in US history if it wasn't for Mohammad. Please read Kranes56's signature line!

Tell me, if, say, GW Bush pleasured himself, sexually ("thighed") a little 6 year old girl when she was 51 years old, would you say that he was immoral? (Science shows that that type of behavior clearly psychologically harms little girls.) Modern Secular Humanism says "YES!". What do you say?

 

Kranes56: I should have added that even though we disagree on certain things, that I admire the amount of ACCEPTANCE that you probably exhibit in your life, as that is often a very good thing. You are likely to be the LEAST racist/bigotted person on this forum. That is good.