HOLD YOUR HORSES!! So you are saying that there were Arabs in the Land of Israel and not "Palestinians" ah? so your all claim about "The Palestinians have rights in the Land of Israel" /is irrelevent because simply there were no "Palestinian nation" in history, and you are conferming it in this comment!! Arabs in the ancient times, that name was refering to nomads! and those nomads nicknamed thmeslves "Arabs". Thats of course according to Assyrian, Hebrew and Arabic texts.
And how's that rejecting the fact that I wrote that William the Conqueror founded England in 1066? Befotr William it was many tribes, William brought everyone together as England. What you just wrote just rianforcing what I wrote.
And Europe was a collection of city states, baronies and principalities.. .. Israel was briefly a small city state.. a whistle stop on the trade route.. However, the people that lived there have been there for thousands of years.. and the history invented by the Hebrews is not the only history of the region. Who do you think planted all those 400-500 year old olive trees? It wasn't European Jews. - - - Updated - - - You might read up on "nomads".. They all had town relatives.. The town provided grain and goods.. the Bedouin provided meat, leather.. and took the herds of the townspeople to pasture on shares. Arabs were NEVER all Bedouin.
- - - Updated - - - I will tell you since you keep on repeating the same refrain these were <Muslims from Europe> that the Ottoman Turk brought to till the soil and plan trees similar to the ones in Greece... That is the story of the old olive trees Beautiful how about returning to Egypt and help with the Famine there? Dream on baby dream on what a fantasy!
Generally .. the Nile Delta didn't suffer famine or drought.. quite unlike Canaan or Palestine or the area around Jerusalem in particular. Turks ... like the Greeks, Syrians, Romans, Egyptians and Crusaders all left their seed in Palestine.
Still, you didnt reject what I wrote. The kingdom of Israel was a huge kingdom!! according to archeaology, was found in Khirbet Qeiyafa a huge city of 500-600 people, that after dating of carbon-14 was found that that city was in the same time when the kingdom of Israel was existed in the same location. Another one was found near the caost, a little bit more little then the first, but it gives you perspective about that kingdom. According to Prof. Millie Lipschitz, a world-wide known archeaologist that works with Tel aviv, the olive trees that were been grown in the Land of Israel was a natural growing, no-one was planted those seeds!! the olive trees were the local trees of that area. You know that when a nomads had town relatives it doesnt make them not nomads right? Bedouin were and are nomads! they are not connected to any land, they are and were living in temporary residence. The Arabs that living in The Land of Israel today are the decendens of the nomads who first came to the place in the 7th century from Saudi Arabia, and after it from all kind of Arab nations. They were Bedouin groups that slauthered their way to the Land of Israel, and conrinued that behavier even there. They also stole valuable remarks, this is all according to this area's history. BTW- I'm glad to see that we came to agreement that the Arabs in Israel are Arabs and not "Palestinians". I'm not here to teach anyone, just pointing out facts
I am sure there were Jews in Palestine.. Many of the Fallaheen (farmers) converted to Christianity and later to Islam.. and they intermarried with all the other people who lived there.. Consider that Sargon 2 settled 4 Arab tribes in Samaria during the period of the Babylonian exile. Do you think that Ezra would have mentioned Arabs in Jerusalem if they hadn't been there?
Intermarriege was existed all across history, so...? didnt get your point you tried to show me. I knwo about the 4 Arab tribes that Saragon 2 settled, so...? once again didnt get what you tried to show here. If you could explain it more I would appriciate it! I read, once again, the book of Ezra, and there the book describes you the Returting of Zion- the returning of the Jews after exile, didnt find there the word "Arabs" just the name Cna'anite, Jebusites, Hittite, Sidonies and so on. BTW- according to Assyrian, Hebrew and Arabic texts, the word "Arabs" was a nickname that nomads called themselves that way, but is it connected them to the Arabs nowadays? not at all!! those are two different things!
Of course there was a Britain. The Romans named it 'Britannia'! And what is this nonsense about William the Conqueror? England (land of the Angles), had been known as such since a tribe called the Angles lived in the North and North East of the country. Southern England was the province of the Saxons, hence 'Anglo-Saxon' Britain. Both tribes pre-dated William by 500+ years in Britain. Your knowledge of British history is somewhat lacking; England was unified in the 10th century, well before the Norman invasion of 1066. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_England#Unification
I was speaking of SEED as producing children with intermarriage in the population of people who lived in Palestine. Nomadic Arabs began migrating out of Arabia to Mesopotamia and the Levant in waves 10,000 years ago.. Many settled in the hill country of Canaan.. Bedouin tribes each have some definite connection to an Arab town.. generally thru blood relations.. Arabs who lived in Palestine for the past 2000 years are called Palestinians ... just as Christians and Jews were called Palestinians.. They are all related anyway. I think you have failed to understand the Arab trade routes that extended to Mesopotamia, Egypt, the Levant.. Sumer... They traded not only thru the interior up from Yemen but along both coasts from Yemen to East Africa as well as with the Indus Valley and up thru Dilmun.. There are thousands of clay tablets... some record business transactions.. Others record the mythos of Sumer which the Hebrews borrowed in their own stories. I am surprised that you haven't seen these ancient clay tablets or read about the Pharaonic inscriptions found in NW Arabia.. The Jews simply didn't have the whole region to themselves... And Israel was never a huge kingdom.. nor was it ever grand and prosperous.. They wanted to be as culturally rich as Babylon so their stories about Solomon are more like wishful thinking.
Up until the Norman conquest of Anglo-Saxon England, Wales had remained for the most part independent of the Anglo-Saxon kingdoms, although some Welsh kings did sometimes acknowledge the Bretwalda. Soon after the Norman conquest of England, however, some Norman lords began to attack Wales. They conquered and ruled parts of it, acknowledging the overlordship of the Norman kings of England but with considerable local independence. Over many years these "Marcher Lords" conquered more and more of Wales, against considerable resistance led by various Welsh princes, who also often acknowledged the overlordship of the Norman kings of England. (they sure are taught some peculiar versions of history) - - - Updated - - - Up until the Norman conquest of Anglo-Saxon England, Wales had remained for the most part independent of the Anglo-Saxon kingdoms, although some Welsh kings did sometimes acknowledge the Bretwalda. Soon after the Norman conquest of England, however, some Norman lords began to attack Wales. They conquered and ruled parts of it, acknowledging the overlordship of the Norman kings of England but with considerable local independence. Over many years these "Marcher Lords" conquered more and more of Wales, against considerable resistance led by various Welsh princes, who also often acknowledged the overlordship of the Norman kings of England. (they sure are taught some peculiar versions of history)
Let us explore it, shell we? The Romans called the area that a British tribes were lived in Britnium, and not Britannia. When you wrote the Northern England was province of the Saxones, just rainforced what I wrote about William the Conqourer, because William was Saxon. The tribes were there as i already wrote to Margot2, but it was William in 1066 that brought everyone together. And you wrote it yourself about Northen England, SO the stuff that you wrote just rainforced what I wrote. Ok and the point that you are trying to make by saying this is...? Before 10,000 years ago, it was the time of the Neolithic Period, or in other words- the time that Prehistoric Men were in the world, so "Arabs" didnt exist before 10,000 years ago, fortheremore there werent any religions!! And still it doesnt make them not nomads. The Bedouin have connection to an Arab town because of their relatives, ok and it still does make them not nomads. Does a Bedouin that have relatives in America can you indentify him as American citizen? of course not. Ok, and still it doesnt make that nickname of the Arabs as "nation", there is no "Palestinians nation", thing that you and me already agreed on. So you are saying because the Arabs had trade routhes in the levant so they have right over this land? if so, so you can say the same about the Vikings that were 500 years before Columbus- the man that discovered America. BTW- once again you are refering to Arabs and not "Palestinians", you are debunking your own claims about the "Palestinians". BTW2- I do have knowladge about it. And I never said that the Jews have the whole region to themselves!! So you are ignoring archeaological finds? intresting! According to archeaology your claim about the kingdom of Israel is archeaologicly wrong. As I already wrote to you in my previous comment.
Who is Albert Albert ? the quote I previously posted was from : "Albert-Abraham Antébi (Hebrew: אלברט אברהם ענתבי; born 1873 Damascus died 1919 Istanbul) was a Jewish public activist and community leader born in Syria, who worked for the defense of the interests of the Jewish old and new settlement in Palestine during the Ottoman rule, especially in the realm of education, philanthropy and estate, as representative of the Alliance Israélite Universelle and of the Jewish Colonization Association founded by Baron Hirsch . Antébi however was opposed to the political Zionist project as developed by Theodor Herzl and his movement, regarding it as a threat to the slow incremental[1] development of a Jewish homeland. He disliked the idleness of many European immigrants, and thought their growing, subsidized presence in Palestine risked provoking an antisemitic reaction throughout the Ottoman world.[2] Indeed he regarded the publicity surrounding Zionism as responsible for the rise of antisemitism in the Holy Land, and advised a strategy of silence if emigration were to continue without arousing local resistance.[3] As early as 1901 he wrote:'Zionism has been created, its leaders say, in order to tighten the bonds of Judaism: the only result has been to stimulate the birth of struggles between (different) nationalities' 'If Zionists really did desire (effective) action, then they would stop talking and adopt (a policy of) silence. They've already bred antisemitism, and will now make a Jewish question for us'(, Letter of 13 Septembre 1909) OMG - I hope you're not deliberately pretending to be daft - The term "Arab Revolt " is generally used to distinguish it from other PALESTINIAN Inhabitants i.e. Greeks/Circasians/Armenians/Jews, etc. Remember before 1948 creation of "Israel" the Jewish inhabitants were also describes as Palestinians i.e. . Palestinian-Jews just as there was Palestinian Arabs . etc. There was no such beings as "Israelis" https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/...lYOsy2MVTlTfbqtSnk2ZbNpYA4RZoFk42el49CkaaPUgJ tata... the
William a Saxon ? hehehe - Go check , You might learn William was a Norman Britnium ? Wow ! according to most " Provincia Britannia (Latin; English: British Province; Welsh: Talaith Prydain), today known as Roman Britain, was a province of the Roman Empire from 43 to 409, spanning at its height in 160, the southern three-quarters of the island of Great Britain. Will you ever cease embarrassing yourself ? ...
"Palestinians" are Bedouins. Most of them are Muslim Arabs which support Hammas, Islamic Jihad and other terror filthy groups.
Archeology indicates it was never a prosperous or large... left no real monuments. In fact, many scholars think that David was a bandit king... and that the construction attributed to Solomon was built much later by King Omri. If the Jews were the only inhabitants of Palestine, why do they go on so about the gentiles.. why did Ezra insist that the Jews divorce their foreign wives.. Arabs have been in Palestine since Abraham.. They just weren't Muslims.... and we know there were Arabs in Samaria since about 700 BC. Arabs living in Palestine called themselves Palestinians.. I used to go to church with refugees from 1948 and they were known as Palestinians.. While Palestine was not a country in the modern sense.. Neither was Israel during the short period when it wasn't a vassal state.. When people other than Jews have lived there for three thousand years, its a bit of fraud to say Mine,Mine, Mine.
see if you can clear your head , get out of the fog . While there's not been a sovereign Palestinian state , there's been people living in that land . It was not a "land without people " as some Zionists claimed . . British Mandate period The Treaty of Lausanne came into force on August 6, 1924. It stated that the Ottoman nationals who were "habitually residents" of what became Palestine "will become ipso facto" nationals of that state. i.e. Palestinians . Article 7 of the Mandate for Palestine stipulated that the British mandatory power "shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law". The first Palestine Citizenship Order was enacted by Britain on 24 July 1925; it was the first official enactment that outlined the legal definition of a Palestinian. Its first article defined a Palestinian as a "Turkish subject habitually resident in the territory of Palestine." It defined the territorial criteria for citizenship, and appeared to be nondiscriminatory legislation, which provided granting of citizenship to an applicant, irrespective of their race, religion or language. This order held until 14 May 1948, when the People's Council, representative of the Yishuv or Jewish Community, declared the creation of the Jewish State of Israel Palestinian citizenship during the League of Nations Mandate included both Arabs and Jews as well as other ethnic groups that resided in the territory (Druze, Armenians, Circassians, etc.). For example, - Ariel Scheinermann, אריאל שיינרמן‎; February 26, 1928 AKA Arial Sharon , born before 1948 ( + others like him ) registered as PALESTINIAN Jew ....
William the Conqueror was a NORMAN. He was technically French, born in Falaise, Normandy! (That's in France). Saxony was in Germany. If you had bothered to read my link you would have discovered that the unification of England came about long before William invaded in 1066. Really, this is embarrassing that you could be so profoundly ill-educated. Here, learn something: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_the_Conqueror
I told him that Wm the Conqueror was the first NORMAN king and included a link pages back..... He ignored it.
Albert Antebi was the JCA representative in Jerusalem between the years 1901-1913, which means that he couldnt say what you wrote he said in 1899. What is my source? the Quran oviously! I already posted it to you, but once again: Here is what Muhammad wrote in The Qur'an about Israel belong to the Jews: in Surah 5, paragraph 20-21 was written: Moses told to his people, my people, remember the grace god turned to you, by his founded prophets, and by created you kings, and by what he builded for you which he didnt builded for anyone else. My people come to holly land that god gave to you and never back down. In Surah 7 paragraph 136-137 was written: And then we took our vengeance upon them, because they denied our signs. we endowed our people that been persecuted from east to west on the land that god blessed. and was been taken place by his good about the sovereignty of the Israelites.... (this is refer when the israelites fleed from Egypt). There is a lot nore references about Israel belong to the Jews in The Quran: in Surah 17 paragraph 103-104 He refered to the land acquisitions that took place in the Land of Israel, not in the whole region of course! I never said it also!! \ The Nickname "Palestinians" referring to the people that lived before 1948, but the "Palestinian Arabs" that lived before 1948 weren't have "Palestinian culture" or "Palestinian language", those two just don't exist!! which means that the claims of the Arabs that they are "Palestinians" or have "Palestinian history" in this region is not right!! there was an Arab history, like the Sidonies in ancient times were nicknamed themselves as "Arabs" but did you can call them that they are part of the nowadays Arabs? no, can you say the Sidonies had different culture or history from the rest of the Cna'anites? no, so as you can refer the Sidonies like that, you can refer the Arabs as "Palestinains" and claim that they "Have Palestinian culture". William was Norman, and that fact still didn't rejected the fact I wrote that William came to the Area of England in 1066! He won against the Anglo-Saxon army, so even if you would used with that fact, that too doesn't reject the fact I wrote. Embarrassing myself? Took a look at this: Source: http://www.studuju.cz/latka-1243 So apparently you didn't read what I wrote to you that was found in Khirbet Qeiyafa. The kingdom of Israel was a huge kingdom!! according to archeaology, was found in Khirbet Qeiyafa a huge city of 500-600 people, that after dating of carbon-14 was found that that city was in the same time when the kingdom of Israel was existed in the same location. Another one was found near the caost, a little bit more little then the first, but it gives you perspective about that kingdom. I never said that the Jews were the only ones, in the history of the region, in the Land of Israel. Once again, In ancient times (yes 700 BC is ancient times!) the name "Arabs" was a nickname that nomads called themselves! like Sidonies! that is according to Asyrian, Hebrew and Arabic texts. Which means that the Arabs of the ancient times are the ones of the modern time! Arabs in the ancient times were a lot of people that later on vanished from the earth. To call yourself a "Palestinian" because you lived in the Land of Israel before 1948 it is ok, it is like the Jews that lived before 1948 can be name "Palestinians" but is that is not providing you the right to kill Jews and to claim that that land is yours because of some Roman emperor that nickname the area like that! The "Palestinians nation", as Arab refer themselves as part of, is not existing!! was never existed and because of that they can't fool the world that they are a "Nation"!! they are all sort of Arabs from all sort of Arab countries!! which means that they are Arabs, not "Palestinains"! furthermore, the Arabs that didn't lived before 1948 cant call themselves as "Palestinians", they don't have the right to call themselves like that!! like an Israeli Jew wont call himself German or Italian or American just because he have someone he knew in the family that live there or lived there and have the country I.D./Passport. Now you are referring to the extremists, I'M NOT AN EXTREMIST! I don't care if I live next to an Arab or that Arabs are living city next to mine! "Palestine" wasn't never a country!! But all across the history of the Land of Israel a Jewish existence was here, but a "Palestinian" wasn't there. Does an Arab existence was in the Land of Israel? of course!! that's why you have in Israel today millions of Arabs that live in Israel and get civilian rights and the examples for that is the Arab ministers in the Knesset!! furthermore, an Arab judge, judged former president of Israel, Katzav. . British Mandate period So The Treaty of Lausanne stated that the Ottoman subjects will become the Citizens of the Land of Israel, ok, and according to you because there were never a state that it's name was "Palestine" the "Ottoman subjects" couldn't became a "Palestinian citizens", or make it more precisely- "Palestinian nation". And according to you , this held until the establishment of Israel, which means that what was written in the article is no longer relevant, because it was relevant until 14th, May 1948. Which means there is no "Palestinian nation".
Prove that BS again? Excavating in the hill country?????????????? They found a petrified Mastodon, no Arab vestiges around but in the fantasy you have generated in your mind.
If you want to find Palestine, turn to the maps in the back of your KJV Bible. It's clearly labeled. Palestinians are the peoples who live(d) there
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khirbet_Qeiyafa Khirbet Qeiyafa was first discovered in 1860.. and the verdict is still out whether its a Canaanite city or a Jewish city.. You have to admit that the Israelis tend to claim every pottery shard is in Hebrew.
