what is the simplest technology to make people live much longer?

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  1. hkisdog

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    what is the simplest technology to make people live much longer?
     
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    Well, I don't know if it's possible or safe, but I have heard rumors that the cells in the human body are defective and age because of a gene defect. If we were to program an HIV carrier virus, replacing the harmful disease genetic code with the cure, we could cure the problem of aging and it would self perpetuate itself through nature.
     
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    How many people truly die from 'old age'?

    Even if we could rejuvenate all of our vital organs this still does not deal with eating habits, exercise habits, alcohol, tobacco, drugs, virus, bacteria, disease, reckless decisions, etc.

    The quickest way for people to live longer and healthier is to make better decisions about all the crap I mention above...at least those things that are in each person's control...no technology required.

    And along the lines of genetics, at a minimum it would be great to repair all the defect genes in newborns...
     
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    Gene repair really doesn't fall within the category of "simplest technology."

    The giving up sugar and smoking would do more to increase lifespans with no required medical interventions.
     
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    I'm thinking genetic research, gene manipulation, etc. could never be accomplished without new and evolving technologies. In the grand scheme of things, when we have mastered gene manipulation, it should be in the category of 'simplest technology'.

    Sugar is essential for humans so don't give up all sugar...
     
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    Exercise and a well balanced diet.

    But truth be told we are already living much longer than we biologically need too.
     
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    Well like I said, none of those is cheap. Maybe in a hundred years...
     
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    Eugenics and selective human breeding.
     
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    I believe mankind in general are capable of screwing up anything...even the fountain of youth...
     
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    {Mod Edit - Rule 3} sugar is not essential for humans in any way
    the only essentials are proteine, micronutrients(fruit and vegetables) and omega 3
    anything else is optional at best including sugar

    sugar is at best a cheap source of energy(kcal) and its perfectly safe to go without
    the body can convert fat to bloodglucose if needed and wil switch to fat as a energy source by breaking down the fat in your liver to ketones
     
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    And glucose in the blood is sugar.....
     
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    Anti-technology? In other words falling back on the 'old' things mother nature provide (best adaptation, billions are adapted to a system that provides everything)
    No need for some kind of movement or political group or club, every individual decide. (because politics can call those people 'anti-technologists')

    Pro-technology would mean you have to use technologies that can extend live, we already have a few of the most fundamental; our houses (shelter, was a cave or hut), heating (was fire), pans and pots, clean water (boiling water, perhaps most important technology ever)

    Newer technologies would be on energy production (zero poluting), zero poluting transportation, and how to heat up your home.

    It's about adaptation. Rich people could become older sooner if they start to become fully independent (can even filter the air in their homes, because air polution from the cities and high ways won't stop soon) And there are of course too many people on this small planet, even if everything is clean you still are wasting and poluting as littel as possible with billions of people each day)
     
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    How about simple carbohydrates such as sucrose and lactose? Sucrose is sugar found in candy, soda, juice, etc. Lactose is sugar found in milk. And let's not forget fructose and glucose.

    What happens to our health in the long-term if we eliminate carbohydrates?
     
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    I'm 100% for technology and innovation, etc. but unless these can force people to stop dangerous health habits I don't see how we can greatly increase our longevity?

    One obvious example is our great technology in medicine yet if we can't get people to expose themselves to this technology then it won't do much good for the masses. Another is our diets today in which we have more information than we can digest about good and bad foods yet we continue consuming the bad foods like Oprah going after a ham sandwich!

    Lastly, IMO cost is a huge ingredient in getting people to voluntarily adapt a better life path. The best foods for humans are cost prohibitive for many people. New technology and it's procedures are cost prohibitive to most people. Even the three things which again IMO define how we function each day, the costs of dental, optical and hearing are out of reach for billions of people...
     
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    Caloric restriction. Proven to work in both mice and people.
     
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    Eat less. And eat well. A drastically reduced calorie diet can increase the years we are vertical. Of course not many people would like to starve themselves on a 1600 to 1900 calorie diet to gain a year to a decade of life. Maybe your pap is still alive and even fooling around with granny even if you are 80? It's in the genes too. hmm I still named any advice of what technology is the most simple to gain a few years. Maybe modification, ie gene splicing etc? That is also risky. Still I might take a one a day super nanobot gene pill that contains little self replicating surgical nanobots that repair the damage of living longer than God intended. I have a hunch that anyone would do anything to gain any time if they could if the alternative was becoming an emergency horizontal (dead).

    reva
     
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Gluconeogenesis

    Gluconeogenesis (GNG) is a metabolic pathway that results in the generation of glucose from non-carbohydrate carbon substrates such as pyruvate, lactate, glycerol, and glucogenic amino acids. While primarily odd-chain fatty acids can be converted into glucose, it is possible for at least some even-chain fatty acids.

    short term
    -3/5kg waterweight so expect to go to the bathroom alot on the first week (carbs make you hold water)
    - carbcraving since your addicted to sugar

    longterm
    wel according to research it may protect from alzheimer and parkinson
    it is already used for atleast 80years to help people and little kids with epilepy

    practicle changes would be
    - wel a bit more difficulty finding food, since alot of processed food has sugar added and those that your not sure about you should always read the label
    -no real desire for carbs after a while
    - stable bloodglucose so no insulin moodswings every 30min after you ate some simple sugar

    dont get me wrong though
    i'm fine with eating carbs myself, they are tasty
    but my point is simple
    you dont need carbs,
    you dont need fat either other then a few grams of omega3 a day

    the only thing you really need are proteine, micronutrients(minerals/vitamines) and omega3
    if those are not included in the diet then its a bad and unhealthy diet no matter what the advertisements claim
    anything else is optional
     
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    Given enough time, in spite of ourselves, we will be able to cure disease and rejuvenate and/or regrow organs then all we need to do is figure out how to advance that stuff we have between our ears...
     
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    I'm sticking with my original comment.

    http://www.healthline.com/health/low-blood-sugar-effects-on-body
     
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    fasting works simular in ways to a keto diet
    both cases the body will break down fat in ketones in your liver

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermittent_fasting
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein_Sparing_Modified_Fast





    yes and that generally only happends to diabetic people
    once your diabetic your stuck with it i'm afraid and alot of things a healthy person can do is dangerous for you

    quoted from your link
    The most common reason for low blood sugar is diabetes. In type 1 diabetes, the pancreas can no longer produce insulin. In type 2 diabetes, the pancreas doesn’t make enough
     
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    What is the simplest technology to make people live much longer?

    Simple.
    "Fire".


    [video=youtube;ARFbGZ4x4hE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARFbGZ4x4hE[/video]

    Oh, Not That Simple. :smile:
    How about solar powered water purification systems? How simple y'want it?
    There are lots of candidates.

    Pure water would extend life in most peoples on the planet.

    Now, how y'gonna feed the extra mouths, do-gooder! Ref.: U.N vaccination programs create famine.


    Moi :oldman:
    Care for some Obama Coffee? :lol: :roflol:


    r > g


    No :flagcanada:
     
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    Well, that has already been proven more than doubling lifespan. Penicillin and clean hands. Also one of the unsung heroes in increased lifespan, the garbage man.
     
  23. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    How long do we "need" to live? If we need to live at all?

    Why do we age anyway? Even if we lived forever we would not overrun the Earth, as accidents alone would kill us off eventually.

    Or do we? Stories of Immortals have been with us forever. Did the Ancient gods require chariots, or have they been with us all the time?
     
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    We need to live long enough to procreate and raise offspring. Depending on when the first starts happening I'd say around 30-40.
     
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    Sugar is essential for humans so don't give up all sugar...

    yes, good point, the doctors tell people sugar is not good must be fools.


    cars need oil, people need sugar, on one dies because his blood sugar level is too high,
    but if your blood sugar level is too low, you will die within hours.
     

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