What makes a mass shooter?

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  1. flogger

    flogger Well-Known Member

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    So how many terrorist attacks have been thwarted in the US by privately armed citizens ?

    Why not just answer my question ?
     
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  2. Richard The Last

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    Did you not like my answer?
     
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    flogger Well-Known Member

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    Your answer was obfuscation as it failed to cite any figure or example
     
  4. Richard The Last

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    Oh, sorry I thought it was obvious. Two attacks on the World Trade Center and the 2015 San Bernardino shooting are the three I was referring to. Other than that all have been thwarted.
     
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    That is factually incorrect
     
  6. Richard The Last

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    I did not realize that. Correct me with the facts.
     
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    It might be correct if you are limiting it to Islamic terrorism. But there have Been many instances of domestic terrorism not stopped at all.
     
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    List the top three. 1. Oklahoma City 2. ? 3. ?
     
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    I suggest you look up right wing terrorism in the US on Google. It is very eye opening
     
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    I do know what you are saying. I just find the modern definition of terrorism rather laughable. I mean come on; individual or group; associated with or inspired by; political, religious, social, racial, environmental.

    Next thing you know I will become a terrorist because I shot some guy breaking into my home. I mean I belong to the NRA which has been labeled by some as having extremist, political ideologies.

    I wonder how many acts of terrorism have been thwarted just because so many Americans do own guns. It's just like the number of crimes prevented because of gun ownership; we don't know how many that is. I live in an area where everyone owns a gun and guess what? We have very low crime.

    Always a pleasure, you make me think.

    Have a good night Vegas.
     
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    Take it up with the FBI. Have a good night
     
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    One little known fact about Jonestown was that sharpshooters with orders to shoot anyone who didn't drink had been detailed and were watching the whole time; most of these escaped, some with substantial cash. Jonestown was mass murder as much as mass suicide
     
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    a bump fire attachment makes the gun fire as long as the trigger is pulled in an "automatic" process, so it is indeed converting a semi-automatic weapon to one that fires "automatically" is it not? It's a very crude conversion but still effective enough to kill massive amounts of people.
     
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    The question was indeed answered. More than have ever been successfully stopped in any nation in the European union or united kingdom.

    It is not that difficult of a concept to understand. Unless one is attempting to turn the matter into a game of numbers, with some arbitrarily selected amount to try and suggest that not enough individuals are protecting themselves from terrorist attacks to make their actions legitimate and justified.
     
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    The ATF stated that such is not the case.
     
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    That is incorrect. The "bump-fire attachment" does nothing of the sort. It simply allows the weapon to move under recoil sufficiently to reset the trigger, and facilitates the shooter being able to pull the trigger more rapidly. The mechanism itself still fires in a "one trigger pull, one bullet" method, just as it was always designed to.
     
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    So given that you can't actually give me a number your answer is just wishful thinking :wink:
     
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    And yet there have been zero terrorists attacks thwarted by either armed victims of bystanders in various foreign nations outside the united states. In every country where a terrorist attack has been committed, be it a bombing, shooting, or acid-throwing, the attack has been carried out successfully and without opposition from armed victims. That is a confirmed fact.
     
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    Your claim about guns stopping terrorism in the US was a falsehood based on an unsubstantiated personal assertion
     
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    As you posed the question, I assume you have the answer. So... how many terrorists attacks have been thwarted in the US by privately armed citizens?
     
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    And yet such actually has happened in the united states, the supposedly backward and barbaric nation of the world, but not in any other so-called "developed" nation. Why exactly is such ultimately proving to be the case?
     
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    None to my knowledge. Though I'm sure you will now come up with some hugely subjective interpretation of what constitutes a thwarted terrorist attack that proves me wrong :lol:
     
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    No privately armed wannabe Hollywood gun hero has ever done any such thing. Prove me wrong ?
     
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    As was shown previously.

    https://www.cnn.com/2017/11/05/us/texas-church-shooting-resident-action/index.html

    The deadliest shooting in Texas history could have claimed even more lives if it weren't for two strangers who jumped into action, authorities said.

    When Devin Patrick Kelley opened fire inside First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs on Sunday, Stephen Willeford, who lives near the church, grabbed his own gun and ran out of the house barefoot to confront the gunman.

    "What do you say to the man who stepped up when he heard the gunshots? I'd say he's a hero," Wilson County Sheriff Joe Tackitt Jr. told CNN's Chris Cuomo on Monday. "I don't think there's any question about that. Had he not done what he did, we could have lost more people."

    As Kelley sped away in a pearl-colored Ford Explorer, Willeford knew he still had a part to play. He spotted Johnnie Langendorff's truck across the street and hailed him down.

    "I said, 'that guy just shot up the Baptist church. We need to stop him," Willeford told CNN affiliate KHBS.

    Langendorff didn't hesitate. "I had to make sure he was caught," Langendorff told CNN. "It was, 'Do everything necessary to make sure that this guy is stopped.'"

    With that, the hunt for a killer began.
     
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    So what terrorist group was this guy working for then ?
     

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