What other countries do differently than the US to stop mass shootings

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  1. Pro_Line_FL

    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Who said anything about disarming everyone?

    Even the mentally deranged? Ok. Thanks for sharing. I do not agree that was the intent of the founders when the wrote the 2A.
     
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  2. Polydectes

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    If you watch the video he says there is a mass shooting afterward so this didn't do anything it didn't stop it it didn't curtail it violent crime was already on the decline it's going back up right now.

    Also if banning guns is the only way to solve mass murder why aren't there mass murders in Switzerland.

    It's almost like gun ownership and mass murders aren't linked.
     
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    He literally rallied against the “deep state” and worked his best to make sure key institutions were under constant attack.
     
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    Which would be why we didn't lose even more freedom.
     
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    So the deep state has always existed. But US is still a democracy. Trump becomes president and. US loses standing as a democracy, but deep state still exists. Doesn’t take a genius to realize Trump is to blame.
     
  6. Polydectes

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    You know what the deep state is don't you? It's bureaucracy that exists there's no question.
     
  7. Pro_Line_FL

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    Switzerland gun laws are ultra-strict compared to ours. Every military age male has an assault rifle at home, but no ammo. Its almost as if they realized that without ammo the rifles are harmless. Concealed carry licenses are almost impossible to get, and you need a permit to purchase most kinds of firearms. Sale of ammo is also regulated.
     
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    I'm not a believer in big conspiracies but don't you think that President Donald Trump had basically the ENTIRE FEDERAL Government lined up against him from before he even took office?

    Don't you think that just "might" have had grevious impacts on his ability to govern?
     
  9. Pollycy

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    OMG. It'll never sink in, will it.... Read German history from the Treaty of Versailles forward through the Nazi surrender in 1945, and don't forget to read the Nazis' Waffengesetz 1938!

    I do agree with you about a national carry-license for those who pass the requisite examinations, tests, and other qualification criteria. Cheers!
     
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    Sad we've been losing more and more freedom year over year since Roosevelt as the administrative state gained more and more power. It doesn't matter if a democratic vote exists if the out come never changes anything.
     
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  11. Polydectes

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    But you have a gun and you can get ammo so why are the mask killings it's almost like owning a gun and killing a bunch of people are not related.
     
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    Except they are related.
     
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    Maybe you should read it too, because its right there on page 1, that they will issue permits. With the Treaty Of Versailles there was no permits, because guns were banned. Period. Its a good example of how they relaxed the laws laid out by US and other winners of WW1.
     
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    Ammo sales are regulated too.

    Its not a good comparison, because Switzerland has VERY strict gun laws compared to US. NRA loves to talk about number of guns in Switzerland, but they never mention that their laws are exactly the kind they fight against in US. An 18 yr old kid could never walk into a store there and simply buy two AR15s and hundreds of rounds of ammo with 30 round mags.
     
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    Biden. Note Assault weapons are used in less than 2% of homicides guns in general are used in less than half of homicides. You'd dropped the murder rate more by outlawing blunt instrument than by outlawing Assault rifles.
     
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    but you can still legally have ammo. So if guns are the cause of mass murder why aren't there any in Switzerland?
    it's an excellent comparison because there are guns there what you are saying causes mass shootings and there aren't mass shootings there.

    You're tingling up this my new show of strict gun laws to distract from the fact that this reality completely destroys presence of guns being the cause of mass shootings.
    the strictness of the laws dose not matter. The guns are there. If I'm to believe this crap about not having access to guns means there won't be mass shootings in Switzerland you have access to guns. Even if the laws are strict they're still there.


    So in Switzerland there are no guns or ammo? Yes or no?

    If you think the only reason someone commits mass murder it's because they don't have to go through a few steps to get a gun I don't think you have possession of any rational thought at all.
     
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    But isn't that what governments do? In America governments do that to protect our rights but that is still its main function.
     
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    Which doesn't negate the fact that you would STILL drop the murder rate by outlawing assault rifles no matter how much you want it to.
     
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    The Constitution details our rights, the gov then immediately tries to take as many of them as possible in order to grow. This is why people with lots of thinking skills prefer a small gov that does not grow for the sake of itself but to serve the People.

    The gov is not interested in you keeping any rights but to pay taxes.
     
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    Probably not because the crazies would just find something else to use. He most of them wouldn't be using Assault rifles now if anti gunners hadn't been screaming about how deadly a souped up .22 is for the last thirty years.
     
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    Apparently not since half those .murdered by fire arms in this country cannot legally own a fire arm and could pass the standard background check.

    Oh and 12,000 murders by fire arms in the country more than three hundred million guns. So apparently owning a gun doesn't make a potential murderer.
     
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    Which doesn't negate the fact that owning a firearm is related to murders by firearms.
     
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    The provisions against private German citizens possessing weapons was never enforced until almost 10 years later, which is why there were so many firefights between Communists and the Nazi SA in the Weimar Republic streets for years after the hooptie Versailles Treaty you never tire of bringing up.

    Did you notice how RIGID the conditions were in the 1938 revision the Nazis imposed for firearms possession? The 'carve-out' the Nazis made was obviously for their friends and supporters.
     
  24. Pro_Line_FL

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    Even if that was true (which it isn't) it would mean they were enforced 10 years before 1938 laws, which is when Nazis relaxed the gun laws significantly.

    They were a heck of lot more rigid before the Nazis deregulated the gun laws.
     
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    "Deregulated"... no. You didn't read the Waffengesetz 1938, did you?

    The former restrictions, imposed and more rigidly enforced by the Weimar Republic (not by the Treaty of Versailles) were relaxed by the Nazis in 1938 for SOME Germans, my dear ProLine, but not for the majority of ordinary citizens -- only Nazi supporters, functionaries, and other "Parteigenossen".

    Shall we move on to North Korea? I'm a little weary of having the advantage.
     
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