What should be subsidized besides health care?

I don't think I did say that. Why would any person work for free.

Hi Andrea. You're the best. We can't wait to see you.

Nobody should work for free, as far as I'm concerned.

 

Great. So you agree all those people should get paid.

 

No. I don't.

I agree that whoever hired them should pay them.

 

You don’t agree that they should get paid. But then say they should get paid. Short term memory loss acting up?

 

Everyone should get paid by their employer. Is that hard to understand?

 

Not sure what you mean. I am not on Medicare. I am okay with Medicare if you are young and really cannot afford it. The problem is that "Medicare for All" contemplates elimination of private insurance.

Doesn't any part of you fear the government? Come on guy, you don't want them in charge of your life.

 

So now you’re back on being for those people getting paid. Is that your final answer or will it change???

 

Will your desire to take your neighbor's property change?

 

Wrong! Read again! People determine what is ethical. Not what is moral. What is moral is determined by circumstances. And if the two coincide, that's great! But they don't always do.

You are confusing things I have already explained. Now you want to shift to democracy. I can go with that... .I don't mind.

Democracy is a big problem. Huge. It leads to many mistakes. Thing is that you have two options: you either have the majority decide. Or you let a dictator decide.

This has drawbacks, of course. It doesn't automatically mean the majority is right. They might even be wrong more often then they're right. So why aren't they right more often? There is an answer to that question. Because the debate about what is right and what is wrong is subjective. If we were to make it objective, we would all agree more often. And this is where the moral principle comes in.

We debate X... Does X contribute or oppose the continuation of the community of human beings? We won't always agree. But so long as we focus all debates on that principle, and not on whether this was proposed by an Republican or a Democrat, or if it suites this or that ideology.... if we focus on the moral of X, we will not only agree more often, but we will get it right more often.

 

I don’t take anything from my neighbors. I have no need or want to steal any of my neighbors things. Plus, how awkward would it be if I did steal from my neighbors and they found out. Talk about embarrassing. Amiright???

 

Killing sorcerers contributed to the community of human beings in Salem. So, based on your lenghy whatever, it was completely moral and ethical and spit shine legal. Isn't mob-rule great??

 

I'm glad to hear that you don't support taxation.

 

Taxation is forceful appropriation of other people's property. You support taking your neighbor's property?

 

I think you like getting subsidized so you can get your needs provided for with other people's money

 

Yet you love getting government services by paying lower tax rates than others.

 

This is garbage. Ethics is the study of morality.

More word salad garbage...

 

Absolutely serious. Rome was built on war to its benefit. The USSR was as well, as they conquered various countries and added them within the Soviet Union, plundering resources. Germany conquered much of Europe, all to their "society's" benefit

The latest example is the United States. "Beware the military industrial complex"- that warning was given by one of its very own leaders, not to be heeded. America has been at war for 225+ years of it's existence, but most recently that warning has sharpened since the Korean conflict. Unjust wars for land, resources (especially oil), position and economic leverage has promoted the welfare of this society, at the detriment of others. The American dollar is backed by the military.

 

Yes. My problem is knowing the outer limits of what constitutes a problem deserving of federal legal intervention. That's what the thread is about.

 

Don't hide your lust for other peoples behind some silly "problems of our republic" crap.
Its problems of your wallet, and your desire to have your needs paid for by others so you can spend your money on fun stuff

 

I’m not taking anything from my neighbors. You’re awfully confused. Hopefully today will be a better day for you.

 

Perhaps you're confused. I didn't say that you are taking anything from your neighbors. I said taxation is forceful appropriation of other people's property. Then I asked whether you support taking your neighbor's property?

 

Again, I'm not taking my neighbor's property. Awfully hard to support something I'm not doing

 

So you oppose taxation? Is this what you're saying now?

 

What does taxation have to do with your claim that I support taking my neighbors property? I'm not taking anything from my neighbor's. Not sure why you think I am.

 

The question is whether you support taxation to support funding of every thing you think is beneficial, or only of things that are essential? And is taxpayer funding of health care essential?

Essential to what?

Or is it a rights-based entitlement whether it's essential or not?