What The Islamic State Wants

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  1. Spiritus Libertatis

    Spiritus Libertatis New Member Past Donor

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    It is often said the IS wants to rule the world under a giant caliphate.

    That's not quite true.

    Their Caliphate is a means to an end. They do not want to conquer and rule over the unbelievers - they want to banish all of them to eternal damnation.

    The Islamic State takes Islamic Eschatology very seriously. However, unlike the Bible, prophecies of the Last Judgement are only passingly mentioned in the Qur'an and only elaborated on in the Hadith - this means a lot of Muslims don't think Islam's endtimes prophecy is exactly correct because it was not communicated by God himself and could be in error. However, many do believe it, especially these days because of the widespread warfare in the Middle East - more Muslims are coming to believe the Hadith may be right, in some sense anyway, about Armageddon.

    The IS's magazine, Dabiq, is named for the Syrian town of Dabiq where, for some random reason, the forces of the Mahdi (a spiritual successor to Muhammed who unites all Muslims under a Caliphate, as Muhammed did) and the unbelievers led by the anti-Christ will do final battle on the Day of Judgement. At that time, God will send Jesus back from Heaven to slay the anti-Christ. God will then banish the souls of all unbelievers to Hell while his Holy Warriors and the other True Believers get to spend eternity in Heaven with their 72 virgins and whatnot.

    This is why they attack literally everyone without rhyme or reason and disregard any semblance of sound military strategy. They believe that when the infidels gang up on them and back them into a corner in Dabiq, God will intervene, Jesus will slay the anti-Christ (whether that's Obama or Putin is up in the air at the moment), all the infidels will be banished to the depths of hell and the Islamic State's holy warriors will go to heaven. They believe the end is nigh and wish to bring it about.

    There's no political goals to satisfy them with. No treaty or land will placate them. They want the world to end - the only way to stop them is to kill every last one of them.
     
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    MegadethFan Well-Known Member

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    "the only way to stop them is to kill every last one of them." Perhaps, but people should carpet bomb the continent to achieve that end.
     
  3. Margot2

    Margot2 Banned

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    Who wrote this?
     
  4. Jonsa

    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, they are seriously crazy religious fanatics with a perverse interpretation of their "religion" and its teachings. In fact, they are apostates hiding behind misinterpretation and takfiri ideology that empowers them to kill their fellow muslims, which they are doing in rather large numbers.

    they cloak themselves in false piety in order to indulge their sexual and psychopathic behaviours.
     
  5. Swensson

    Swensson Devil's advocate

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    When people ask why something is happening, that can mean a number of things. "Why is the ground wet?" can be answered with "because there is water on it", "because it rained" or "because the sun warms water which rises into clouds and has to come down somewhere". None of these are incorrect, but they have different foci and bring different kind of solutions to mind. While it may be true that the above is an answer to why IS attacks who it attacks, it is not a particularly helpful narrative when it comes to securing our future safety.

    It is (probably) true that there is no political solution which, when presented to them, they would just accept and settle down. However, I believe that there are several political actions which could resolve or ease the situation in other ways. Many of these are in the past, people are much more inclined to believe extreme things when they are faced with what they perceive as a real, tangible and incomprehensible problems/enemies (I mean, just look at you, you went to the point of arguing more or less genocide). In other words, while I struggle to find a reason to call your explanation of "why" incorrect, it is not the only possible answer, and many other answers will give much more reasonable courses of action.

    Similarly, the Middle East isn't a goo of homogeneously angry people, there are still plenty of people who aren't at the moment willing to take up arms for the IS, but may very well do so if it turns out that the west or parts thereof makes an honest effort to "kill every last one of them" (and frankly, I couldn't blame them). The leaders may very well be considered nuts, and it may be so that they will never change no matter what, but many of their half hearted supporters are much more open to political action (and refraining from political action). If we are successful in such approaches, the crazies won't be too dangerous.

    The arguments above are not meant to list solutions to all the world's problems. They are meant to show that solutions can exist which don't buy into the structure you've presented. With the arguments above, I would like you to expand on your claims that any solutions of this sort cannot work (rather than the specific examples I've given).
     
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    Margot2 Banned

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    Its a very narrow view of Islam and Muslims.. Most are not religious fanatics much less dangerous like ISIS or Boko Haram.

    Jihad causes poverty and illiteracy.. These renegade Muslims are basically sh*****g in their own nests.
     
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    Imnotreallyhere Well-Known Member Donor

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    What is your source?
    Or are you a member of ISIS?
    How are you able to put words in their mouths?
     

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