What the nature of Trump's pardons mean

I think the most evil and dispicable side is the one claiming losing candidates have to right to contest results in court and judges and local officials can violated the Constitution in order to change rules of the election.

 

So people who were innocent and wronging convicted shouldn't accept pardons but the really guilty it's OK. That's a strange logic.

 

Where did you get the idea that it requires an exoneration? Does the Constitution say that or something you just made up?

 

Who has claimed losing candidates have no right to challenge results -- when they have some evidence, and aren't just stonewalling, that is?

Which didn't happen.

 

The above is hilariously ironic in the age of Mask Authoritarianism, social media deplatforming of noncompliant views, woke (and very profitable) corporatism, monolithic LW Complex MSM and entertainment, shaming of anyone who dares believe otherwise. Talk about "downloading programs" and being unable to think for yourselves. Turn on ANY late night "comedy" talk show in the U.S., then tell us some more about "downloading programs."

Hofstadter would be rolling his grave with cognitive dissonance at the complete flip-flop of the LW and RW. YOU and YOURS are the establishment. YOU and YOURS are the new authoritarians. Any others are the counterculture now. Get used to it, no one is fooled by ignorant labels of conservative "Paranoid Style." That's all YOU and YOURS today.

Conservatism is the NEW Counter-Culture - YouTube

The LW has become the actual authoritarians in the U.S., whether the topic is masks, firearm ownership, attending worship or drinking at a bar, and in so many other ways. YOU and YOURS are the new "conservatives." If one finds oneself on the side of MSM, corporate giants, political compliance and witch hunts, then they are the new "conservatives." Lie in that bed and enjoy it, you made it.

Maybe you should just go ahead and include a Nike, Amazon, Disney or Verizon LOGO on your posts.

 

~ Trump should give Hunter Biden a Pardon. Mayhaps that will facilitate an actual investigation of facts - not cover-up.
Just for fun he should give Hillay C one also .

 

But, Obama . . .

 

"Mask Authoritarianism," why should I take anything you write seriously, after that? Total know-nothingism. You are the party not of Left or Right but of the Darwin Award. And unfortunately, your willful ignorance has lethal effects for the rest of us.

Yes, the Left does have its own version of groupthink, ideologicthink, I won't deny that. But as your side has spent years hunting the species RINO, you're in no position to complain about the other side policing ideological lines. Again your hypocrisy stinks to high heaven, complaining about a corporatism which was your party's virtual religion ("corporations are people!") since before the Reagan-era, or complaining about "monolithic media," you of the Conservative Pravda of FOX News, of a corporate-conservative media echo-machine which works cheek-by-jowl with GOP, directly coordinating daily messaging with the GOP for two decades! Today its tentacles have spread to local news everywhere with the Sinclair Corp. At least with the MSM and the nightly talk-shows, you know you're getting a point of view; you're not being told you're getting "straight news" while the bleach-blond is lying straight to your face.

The real fact of the matter is that the brains of you people have something broken. You have a serious deficit in the ability to practice empathy, a serious inability to imagine what the world looks like from another perspective. The Left has cultivated this virtue well - viz. the virtue of the Moral Imagination. To adopt the Woke-worldview actually requires serious effort, both of the moral imagination and getting broader knowledge of history. It is not downloading, it is not parking yourself in front of Conservotainment all day and letting your brain and capacity for empathy rot.

Hofstadter would understand exactly what has happened. The Market Fundamentalists of the GOP took on board conservative populism during the Civil Rights era. These populists, especially in the South, used to be Democrats; and the GOP's Southern Strategy flipped them Republican. Around the same time Black folks, who used to vote en bloc for the Republicans (once the party of Lincoln), flipped to the Democrats. But with the loss of the "Reagan Democrats"/the conservative populists, the Democrats had to go and get new voters - who they found among college-educated Whites. But to get these socially liberal and economically conservative-leaning Whites, the Democrats needed to adopt more Neoliberal views on economic policy. Since Republicans already had these views, they became the consensus since the Reagan era, and this led to the explosion of income-inequality that we see today. It all comes down to the fact that too many New Deal Democrats were too racist to go along with the Democratic party into the era of Civil Rights reform. The GOP enticed them with Culture War sweet-nothings while they picked their pockets, and successfully put the blame for their immiseration on the Democrats. The Mandarins of the GOP set their party up for a populist revolt, which came in 2016 - the crying irony of it being, of course, is that the populists were badly duped by a con-man and grifter supreme, who personified the interests of the Mandarins and governed like one in all his self-dealing glory; but he threw you Culture War crumbs and you all continued to eat it up. And in the process you have descended into the collective fever-dream of Q-anon, which Hofstadter would see as textbook Paranoid-Style.

What a joke. Conservatives have styled themselves as counterculture since the 1980's. There's a more apt, much better description of what the "Conservative Movement" is. It is Fascist.

This is nothing but The Big Lie of Fascism. Accusing your opponents of the exact thing you are guilty of. And it is pure paranoia, besides - who has gone to jail for flouting the directive to wear a mask to prevent the spread of a pandemic? Has there even been anyone who has been fined for deliberately putting others' lives at risk for not wearing a mask to prevent the spread of a pandemic disease?? Yet here you are, hysterically complaining about "Authoritarianism," when you have lent direct political support to a wannabe-tyrant!! It is beyond hypocrisy, beyond disgusting!!

 

The ones saying he is trying to steal the election and attacking him for it and claiming he should not.

 

Facts are on my side on MASK AUTHORITARIANISM, not yours. Enjoy breathing and being breathed on through the equivalent of dirty underwear. You and yours are the authoritarians in that way and so many others today. Keep peddling establishment dogma, though, does my confirmation bias good.

Using establishment force against human rights backed by the emotional appeals of bureaucrats, large corporate cronies and MSM is not "ideology," just thuggery towards obvious ends. The rest of the above is an extended, rambling straw man. Ironically, seething about the few noncompliant media outlets "out there" in a ginormous establishment hegemony is transparent projection first and a thinly veiled appeal to censorship second. Not surprised, we see that often here and elsewhere. Inquisitors are well-known to warn of the dangers of rampant heresy... while polishing the iron maiden and heating the brands. This time, though, the torture tools are all marked with corporate logos and stamped "made in China."

Woke culture is lazy hegemonic dogma with a tinkly, soulful guitar riff or a laugh track, and there are a couple of well-used terms for the people you are describing in the above dogmatic fallacy, 1. "dissidents" who deserve to be 2. "dehumanized," due to their "rotten brains," and that's exactly the gist of the above, so let's just call a spade a spade and point out exactly what you are about and what you seek.

So to summarize, in your post we see appeals to dogma, projection against minority groups as dissidents, appeals to censorship of them, and appeals to dehumanize them. "The broken brains of the dissidents, their resulting lack of empathy, means they aren't quite human." Where have we seen that kind of thing before? We just haven't seen variants that include the tinkly guitar, the laugh track and the corporate logo that we see today. You aren't fooling anyone.

Will pick at the above salad bar as it deserves: the Southern Strategy and the Party Switch are transparent distortions, lies of omission or plain old lies, convincingly disproven over the years in very long threads here and elsewhere. Never happened, or rather gross distortions of what really happened in efforts to hide the perpetual racism of the Democratic Party. Huey Long brand quasi socialism adapted into the mainstream progressive platform and outright progressive socialism converted the blacks, and what a bounty of retrograde decadence that has caused. "Neoliberalism" is fabricated social sciences jargon that doesn't mean anything. The "Mandarins" (Irony) of the GOP, as is evidenced in countless ways from 2015 to date, were surprised by the Trump Movement, not complicit in it, and would like to be rid of it wholly and get back to their typical uniparty graft troughs that outsiders who manage to buck them impede. The 80-100 million Trump voters (when destroyed and switched ballots are included) in 2020 had years and decades prior to decide whom exactly were the grifters and con men, and know with absolute certainty whom they are today. But I suppose they are simply "not quite human" dissidents with broken brains.

It's not "paranoia" when government reaches right into the home, livelihoods and the conduct of tens of millions of citizen victims. Hofstadter would agree. He would also agree that an Administration that started no wars, discontinued others, is not exactly the Goldwater he had in mind... but watch what is about to happen on that front, and tell us all about "Paranoid Style."

 

No, that's false, because Trump has no evidence that the election was anything but fair and legitimate, and is just stonewalling and wasting courts' time and resources because his infinite conceit, self-absorption and narcissism demand that the fact that he lost to Biden somehow be erased.

 

Simple demented paranoid fantasy. You deserve your Darwin Award, when you eventually get it. Again the real problem is the contagion you spread to others, with your brain infection.

Lies. There is no establishment force being used against you. Your rights are not being violated, rather you are violating the right to life of others, by your know-nothing, anti-science, death-drive political mania.

Talk about a salad bar. Man, did Hofstadter have your number and the number of the rest of your ilk. How must it feel to know that he wrote in detail all about the code you are currently executing, probably before you were even born?

Anti-elitism, paranoia about an anonymous monolithic superintending power - all part of your zombie-program.

- ??? Well, why should I be surprised. Sooner or later all you NPCs get to the part of code which issues raving nonsense.

Empathy is one of the cardinal virtues of the civilized mind. It is essential to all forms of historical progress. And while we all have a disposition for it, it is a moral virtue and has to be cultivated. And that takes a lot of work, actually. It takes a lot work to be an actual adult. And many people don't get there - the Paranoid Style, which you exemplify to the Nth degree, is a brain infection which diverts people away from empathy and adulthood, towards adolescent Ressentiment. I would say you are more to be pitied than anathematized, except for the fact that your brain infection leads direct to Authoritarian politics and the nihilism embodied by your refusal to think of others to the minimum degree that would help spare lives during a pandemic. Evil has a clear source in ordinary human behavior - congratulations for being an example for the kids.

My appeals to dogma? LOL. How about All-Caps fact-free claims of "Mask Authoritarianism"? Check. "Ginormous establishment hegemony"? Check.

Sadly, the American Fascist party is hardly a minority. And, sadly, the European experience with Fascism teaches us what happens when the Fascists have access to media-platforms to broadcast the Big Lie. Sorry to inform you pal, but when those platforms are in private hands, you have no right of access to them.

Lies. I have not de-humanized you. You are fully human, merely the sort that is morally inferior to me.

You think you got some knowledge? Then bring it. And spare me all your disconnected ravings about "socialism." Socialism has never yet gotten a foothold in American politics.

Reeeeaally. Well enlighten me, then! What is the mere "jargon" of Neoliberalism providing cover for? What are the real ideological mainsprings of politics during the last half century? Put up or Shut up!

Of course they are complicit. After opposing Trump in the most vigorous terms during the midterms - calling him out for what he is, a Con-man, after Trump won the nomination they all fell in line. Trump's conduct of office the last 4 years was nothing other than a long exercise in taking a crap on the Constitution and all the norms which keep our democracy/republic from veering off into a banana republic, and all these Quislings were falling over themselves to collect his droppings. And today they've gone so far to embrace Fascist Authoritarianism openly, by attempting to reverse the results of a duly conducted election. YOU are party to this as well - you have all betrayed the Founders' sacred trust, the lot of you have disgraced your citizenship in a free society, and you deserve to stripped of it!!

You Cons are always the same - the through-line for you people, connecting the Bush dynasty with Trump, is still the same - you are Authoritarians who above all things seek power for its own sake. Whenever it's the Democrats in power, you go after "libruls" and "Big Government." But when it's your party f**king the country - Oh, THEN it's all "the Uniparty" and "you can't trust government (so vote Republican!)" Your hypocrisy stinks to high heaven and no one is fooled.

More of the Big Lie. More is always better, for the likes of you.

Morally deficient, to be precise - and with that deficiency you can expect piss-poor judgment when it comes to character, as well. Hence Trump, your avatar.

Paranoia, and Lies, Lies, Lies...

Hofstadter knew you NPCs better than you know yourselves (how could he not, when you are merely following a zombie-program of know-nothing conservative populism?) Insider-books of the Trump Admin. have already discussed occasions where Trump had to be talked out of some stupidly bellicose maneuver, or where state officers simply countermanded his orders in order to prevent a chain of escalations that would lead to war. Trump had four years to actually get us out of the Middle East, and he hardly did anything on that front (he did stab the Kurds and the Uyghurs in the back, though).


You people are the homegrown threat of Authoritarianism that every free people has to face. The country - foolishly - gave your Demagogue an opening, but it turns out that Evil and Stupidity are co-morbidities in politics. You have betrayed the country, betrayed our founding ideals, and the rest of us have no choice but to try to contain your brain-contagion. Hopefully history will attest both to your disgrace, and your failure.

 

I see. Support group not open near Christmas? Women's studies/victim studies professor not there during office hours? That's OK, please continue.

And once you're done, what is the final solution for all this "brain infection" among the Je...erm...Nig...erm... dissid...erm...heret..erm...gyps... erm... devian...erm...infide... "American Fascist party?"

Can't wait to hear!

BTW, trying to sophomorically appropriate Nietzsche is a hilariously ironic lead balloon for you.

 

If that's truly what they believe....I really don't see a problem with it.
But how did you come up with "Star Trek universe style Utopia "?
I don't recall Star Trek ever being anywhere near a Utopia.
In fact it was the opposite....and all races worked together to further their peaceful existence.

 

Witless.

 

I would answer but in that direction lurks 'a talk from a moderator'. I have my reasons for linking the general attitude they present to the nation with the Star Trek universe as Utopia. If that does not work for you then select one that does.

 

Oh, so no -final solution- for all the tens of millions of "brain infected?" Don't hide it, be authentic! It's already apparent to anyone reading, why not just come clean all the way?

 

He took legal questions to the courts and was not given the chance to present the evidence as EVERY candidate has a right but it seems Donald Trump.

 

False. Just because you bring suit doesn't mean you get to waste the courts' time with frivolous nonsense. Before you get to court there is an "examination for discovery" to determine if your case has any merit. Cases where Trump "was not given the chance to present the evidence" of election fraud have failed at that stage because he had no evidence to present, not because he was not given the chance to do so.

 

True he has the same right as any other candidate to contest the election and yes the cases have been dismissed on technicalities. You should have watched the hearings were the evidence WAS on display.

 

And the evidence was shot down by courts. You cannot trust witnesses who claim there was
130% voter turnout in some counties. That claim is so easily disproven the witnesses look crazy when they even suggest it.

 

The right has to go into increasingly contorted positions to polish trump's turds these days.
The vast majority of those who did vote for him have moved on and accepted reality. Only the cult remains to do his bidding, but to the rest of Americans, he has become an embarrassment and many who voted for him now regret having fallen for his bullshit demagoguery.

 

@Gatewood


No money.
No currency.
Everyone with housing, sustenance, etc.
And behaving as though Prozac is in the food & water. Sort of Stepford Wives.

Y'think?​

 

Agree that would be one extreme and the other would be your desire for constant war....
and if you can not find a foreign foe to kill, you'll kill your own neighbors.
Both arguments are exaggerations, but that seems to be the preference.

 

I was writing of the Star Trek utopia.
Like Root Beer.
How is the Federation like Root Beer? See the clip.

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