What to do with $38 Billion to Israel

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  1. Grau

    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The current birth rate or population of Palestine's persecuted population has nothing to do with US Funded Zionist Genocide:

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(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;" (see below)

    “The legal definition of genocide “
    http://www.preventgenocide.org/genocide/officialtext-printerfriendly.htm
    EXCERPT "Excerpt from the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of Genocide (For full text click here)
    "Article II: (*)In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

    (a) Killing members of the group;

    
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

    
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

    
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;

    
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."CONTINUED


    In my previous post, I described & cited sources thoroughly indicating that the Israeli government is, indeed guilty of Genocide.

    So, do you support of condemn the use of US $ Billions / $ Trillions [1] to commit Genocide in Palestine?






    [1] “The Real Cost Of US Support For Israel – $3(*)Trillion”
    https://nwoobserver.wordpress.com/2011/02/21/the-real-cost-of-us-support-for-israel-3-trillion/
    EXCERPT “ While it is commonly reported that Israel officially receives some $3 billion every year in the form of economic aid from the U.S. government, this figure is just the tip of the iceberg.

    There are many billions of dollars more in hidden costs and economic losses lurking beneath the surface. A recently published economic analysis has concluded that U.S. support for the state of Israel has cost American taxpayers nearly $3 trillion ($3 million millions) in 2002 dollars.

    “The Costs to American Taxpayers of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict: $3 Trillion” is a summary of economic research done by Thomas R. Stauffer."CONTINUED
     
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    No, Grau, the population of the target of systematic genocide declines - fast. Surely you know that.
     
  3. Grau

    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Firstly, you didn't answer the question I posed earlier:
    "So, do you support of condemn the use of US $ Billions / $ Trillions to commit Genocide in Palestine?"



    Secondly, where in any definition of Genocide is "Birth Rate" of the target group considered a factor?

    "Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide"
    http://www.preventgenocide.org/law/convention/text.htm#II

    Article II: In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

    (a) Killing members of the group;
    (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
    (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
    (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
    (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.



    The Government of Israel is guilty of inflicting all of the above & could not do so without unconditional & virtually unlimited US Military aid.

    While we know that the combined population of both Gaza & the West Bank is approx. 4.7 million, little is known about the innumerable birth defects, disabled, poisoned [1], [2] & traumatized condition of those who have spent their entire lives under genocidal, Israeli Occupation.

    Just because Netanyahu has not "solved" what he calls "Israel's Demographic Problem" via Genocide doesn't mean he & his ilk are not trying.





    [1] “CONSEQUENCES OF ISRAELI WEAPONS TESTING ON GAZA”
    http://snippits-and-slappits.blogspot.com/2011/03/consequences-of-israeli-weapons-testing.html
    EXCERPTS:
    ---- DU contamination is irreversible and the effect is prolonged for many generations. A contaminated man will pass it to his spouse, who will then pass it to her child and that leads to his or her child and it goes on and on. The most calamitous aspect of DU contamination is the birth of stillborn or disfigured babies.

    --- Depleted uranium accumulation has been recorded in the bone, kidney, reproductive system, brain and lung. It is carcinogenic, toxic to the kidneys, damaging to cellular DNA and causes malformations to an embryo or foetus.
    CONTINUED



    [2] “Gaza sees more newborns of malformation”
    http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-12/31/content_12737744.htm
    EXCERPT “(*)Since the Israeli Operation Cast Lead last winter, the besieged Gaza Strip saw an increase in the proportion of fetus and newborns malformations.
    (*)(*)(*)(*)Thabet Masri, director of neonatal division in the community of medical healing, told Xinhua that from July to September, the rate of children born with different congenital deformities was 17 per month, compared with nine per month over the same period of 2008.
    (*)(*)(*)(*)He said the increase of fetal deformity cases is related to the radioactive and toxic materials resulting from Israel's use of prohibited weapons."CONTINUED
     
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    The Palestinian population is expanding. So there is clearly no genocide going on. Does Israel kill Palestinians? Of course they do - Palestinians are their enemies.

    But the charge that Palestinians are the victims of systematic genocide is a frivolous distraction from any serious charges that might be made.
     
  5. Grau

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    The Zionist Regime has & remains guilty of ALL of the following US Funded atrocities that define genocide & you can neither refute nor disprove that reality:

    "Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide"
    http://www.preventgenocide.org/law/c...on/text.htm#II

    Article II: In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

    (a) Killing members of the group;
    (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
    (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
    (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
    (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.


    It is only your flawed opinion that:
    For the 4th time, show me ANY definition of Genocide that cites "population size" or "birth Rate" as an ameliorating factor to the accurate charge that the Israeli government is guilty of Genocide.

    Your repeated, evasive inability to do so renders your frivolous opinion the only:
    to the reality that the Israeli government is guilty of Genocide and that almost half of Israel's Jews support Ethnic Cleansing:


    "NEARLY HALF OF ISRAELI JEWS BELIEVE IN ETHNIC CLEANSING, SURVEY FINDS"
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...nians-wake-up-call-survey-finds-a6919271.html


    You are welcome to any frivolous & evasive opinions you wish to embrace but in the real world, Israel's US Funded Regime is guilty of Genocide by all legitimate definitions.


    “Israel Found Guilty of Genocide”
    http://www.tlaxcala-int.org/article.asp?reference=10886

    EXCERPT “After considering the evidence by the prosecution and the submissions by both the Prosecution and the Amicus Curiae Defence teams, the Tribunal found the State of Israel guilty of genocide, and Amos Yaron of crimes against humanity and genocide.

    The meaning of genocide as designated acts committed with intent to destroy in whole or in part a national, ethical, racial or religious group such as killing members of the group, causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group, deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part, imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group, forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.”CONTINUED
     
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    A systematic campaign of genocide is not consistent with a population increase. This is not subtle. War propaganda is not persuasive. The real Palestinian complaints against Israel have nothing to do with genocide, and you know it. ;-)
     
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    Maybe Saudi Arabia - althought they do not benefit from a militant circle (or "trojan horse") like the zionist lobbies have.

    http://mearsheimer.uchicago.edu/pdfs/IsraelLobby.pdf

    Indeed. They don't even hide anymore.
     
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    Thanks, for the excellent link about America's Zionist "Trojan Horse", an ugly reality that everyone knew about but few had the guts to write & publish for professionally hoodwinked Americans to learn the truth about the malevolent machinations of the Zionist Lobbies that have extorted $ Trillions & thousands of US lives for Zionist "Lebensraum" aka "Greater Israel" (aka Israel's Oded Yinon Plan that is far worse than described in Zionist controlled Wikipedia*.

    Major U.S. Media frequently features stories on wasted Government money but NEVER discusses the greatest waste of all: Military & other forms of endless & incessant Aid to Israel.

    The stated amount of $38 Billion in "Aid" is a pittance compared to the true "Cost" [1]of unconditional US Government support of every & any Israeli UN Violation, Atrocity, War Crime, Human Rights violation etc that has earned the US the costly enmity of the entire 1.7 billion strong Islamic World.

    How America suddenly found itself in its current, costly, bloody Mid East imbroglio is well laid out in the book:

    “Against Our Better Judgment: The Hidden History of How the U.S. Was Used to Create Israel”[2]
    https://www.amazon.com/Against-Our-Better-Judgment-History/dp/149591092X

    I try to imagine how much better off the Planet would be, today, if Truman hadn't betrayed the US to what was then the Zionist Organization of America, currently AIPAC, & burdened the world with the Genocidal Rogue Nuclear Armed Pariah that relies on other countries to fund its innumerable crimes.



    Thanks





    * “Wikipedia editing courses launched by Zionist groups”
    Two Israeli groups set up training courses in Wikipedia editing with aims to 'show the other side' over borders and culture”
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/aug/18/wikipedia-editing-zionist-groups

    EXCERPT “Now two Israeli groups seeking to gain the upper hand in the online debate have launched a course in "Zionist editing" for Wikipedia, the online reference site.
    Yesha Council, representing the Jewish settler movement, and the rightwing Israel Sheli (My I srael) movement, ran their first workshop this week in Jerusalem, teaching participants how to rewrite and revise some of the most hotly disputed pages of the online reference site.”CONTINUED




    [1] “The Real Cost Of US Support For Israel – $3(*)Trillion”
    https://nwoobserver.wordpress.com/2011/02/21/the-real-cost-of-us-support-for-israel-3-trillion/
    EXCERPT “ While it is commonly reported that Israel officially receives some $3 billion every year in the form of economic aid from the U.S. government, this figure is just the tip of the iceberg.

    There are many billions of dollars more in hidden costs and economic losses lurking beneath the surface. A recently published economic analysis has concluded that U.S. support for the state of Israel has cost American taxpayers nearly $3 trillion ($3 million millions) in 2002 dollars.

    “The Costs to American Taxpayers of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict: $3 Trillion” is a summary of economic research done by Thomas R. Stauffer.

    Stauffer is a Washington, D.C.-based engineer and economist who writes and teaches about the economics of energy and the Middle East.

    Stauffer has taught at Harvard University and Georgetown University’s School of Foreign Service.
    ” CONTINUED




    [2] “Against Our Better Judgment: The Hidden History of How the U.S. Was Used to Create Israel”
    https://www.amazon.com/Against-Our-Better-Judgment-History/dp/149591092X

    (*)
    EXCERPT “Soon after WWII, US statesman Dean Acheson warned that creating Israel on land already inhabited by Palestinians would "imperil" both American and all Western interests in the region. Despite warnings such as this one, President Truman supported establishing a Jewish state on land primarily inhabited by Muslims and Christians.

    Few Americans today are aware that US support enabled the creation of modern Israel. Even fewer know that US politicians pushed this policy over the forceful objections of top diplomatic and military experts.

    As this work demonstrates, these politicians were bombarded by a massive pro-Israel lobbying effort that ranged from well-funded and very public Zionist organizations to an "elitist secret society" whose members included Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis.

    AGAINST OUR BETTER JUDGMENT brings together meticulously sourced evidence to illuminate a reality that differs starkly from the prevailing narrative. It provides a clear view of the history that is key to understanding one of the most critically important political issues of our day.”CONTINUED
     

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