"What Was The Holocaust? What Actually Happened?"

True. Many of soviet communist leaders as Trotsky, Sverdlov, etc were Jews. Also many jews worked for CheKa and NKVD. Take this guy Yakov Yurovsky. In 1918 a squad led by Yurovsky killed the Romanov family(Russian Imperial family) and their entourage off.
Terror’s bigger than one nation.But there is no doubt that they’re responsible for Russian Holocaust as well.

 

Don't lose sight of the fact that the OP is a declared Holocaust Denier and his Posts only deserves scorn and derision .
He just strolls around the Forum repeating the same Topic .

 

All Told, World War II took the lives of approximately 60,000,000 people.

Counting Poles, Czech's and other Slavs, along with the Russians, etc.,
Hitler was responsible for the deaths of 30,000,000 Slavs (not slaves).

Hitler wanted all Slavs Dead.

Approximately 5 Million Christians died in Hitler's Nazi Concentration Camps..

A lot of people don't know this FACT,
because some historians bend over backwards
to never give mention to their deaths,
as if their deaths are of little to zero importance
compared with the deaths of non-Christians..

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NO, he was not, fool. Under Jewish law, one is a JEW if their Mother is a Jew. Read a book:

Vladimir Lenin Was Part Jewish, Say Declassified KGB Files
By Emmanuel Grynszpan / Le Temps / Worldcrunch Monday, June 13, 2011

(MOSCOW) — A recently opened exhibition in Moscow's State Historical Museum is shedding some light on a long-guarded Russian secret: the origins of Soviet founding father Vladimir Lenin. Lenin's maternal grandfather, the exhibition revealed, was born Jewish.

This fascinating morsel of information, gleaned from declassified KGB files, is not a minor detail in a country where anti-Semitism was a recognized state doctrine for decades. Starting in the 1930s, the Soviet regime —spurred on by its leader Joseph Stalin — launched a violent discriminatory campaign against Jewish citizens. (See the top 25 political icons: Lenin)

Born in 1870, Lenin identified himself simply as Russian. His official biography mentions only his Russian, German and Swedish origins. But one of the exhibition's priceless pieces adds a key new element to the official narrative.

In a letter to Stalin in 1932 — six years after Lenin's death — Anna Ulyanova, Lenin's older sister, wrote that their maternal grandfather "came from a poor Jewish family and was, according to his baptismal certificate, the son of Moses Blank." Blank was born in Zhitomir, Ukraine. In her letter, Ulyanova said her brother "had always thought highly of Jews." She also urged Stalin to reveal Lenin's Jewish background, concluding that "it would be wrong to hide it from the masses."

Stalin, however, ordered Ulyanova to keep Lenin's Jewish roots under wraps. A few years later, Stalin began to purge Jews from among the leaders of the revolution. Prior to his death in 1953, furthermore, he was preparing to send the whole Jewish population living in the Soviet Union to concentration camps in Siberia.

Most provincial Russian towns have a main road named Lenin Street. You can usually find shops selling luxury goods and banking centers there. They tend to contain all the flashiest symbols of the country's now capitalist society. (See TIME's photo-essay "The Bolshevik October Revolution.")

In the middle of virtually every central square, including in Belarus and in Ukraine, there is a high-rise statue of Lenin looking down on the rowdy shopkeepers. The Lenin paradox even goes further. Lenin is revered by Russia's radical fringe — people who feel nostalgic for the Soviet regime in general and for anti-Semitic Stalinism in particular.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2077413,00.html#ixzz1wP21cRoN

 

Under your speech stomping Holycost Denial laws, you mean, of course.

Laws that make it illegal to engage in open, scholarly debate about the Holycost. It's the ONLY historical event since the dawn of time that has a law making it illegal to discuss or dispute ANY aspect of it....and YOU think that is cool? You a-s-s!!

The TRUTH needs no such laws.....laws like that are meant to protect LIES.

 

I think everyone agrees that many jews were mistreated; the disagreement is over exactly what happened — how bad it was, how much responsibility the Soviets had for the death of camp prisoners, and to what degree the nazis were justified for detaining most of its jewish population. There have also been allegations that some of the prisoners exaggerated the abuses, or in some cases even tattoed serial numbers on themselves to blame the nazis (for example, many of the dead bodies shown in photographs taken in concentration camps do not show tattoes, and many holocaust survivors did not get any tattoes). Some jews were treated much better than others, and it is difficult to ascertain how widespread the abuses/attrocities actually were.

David Irving, a holocaust survivor himself, explained his view of what would later become known as "The Holocaust":

"What I question (and that’s why I have put quotes around 'Holocaust survivor') is the appropriateness of labeling the experience that I survived (six years of imprisonment in ghettos, labor camps and concentration camps as a child during World War II) – an experience that was, to me, simply a part of the War – as part of something that, for me, did not exist until it was invented in the late 1950s and never seemed anything but a pretentious literary metaphor for what was supposedly a unique experience of Jewish suffering.

When, as a nine-year-old, I spent a month in Buchenwald, it never occurred to me that those of my fellow-inmates who were Gypsies, Soviet prisoners of war, or Danish policemen arrested for helping the Jews escape, were undergoing experiences that were different from mine. We were all experiencing the War, a many-fronted war, one of whose fronts happened to be the war – ultimately one of extermination – that the German state waged against the Jewish people. Ever since, for over half a century, I have not been able to accept the singling out of this one front, horrible as it may have been, as a unique epoch-making event that requires its own grandiose name, its own capitalized dictionary entry, its own academic discipline called 'Holocaust studies'. It is in this sense that I count myself as a Holocaust denier."

 

I love the "anti-semitic" Lenin , most Jews in Russia were and still are Turkic .

Another side that is often historically overlooked is how other countries allied with the nazis followed their command to surrender their Jewry.
For example Hungary was very happy to get rid of almost all of theirs while Bulgaria simple said "NO" .

 

From Hitler himself .. we not only know that he had contempt for Jews and Slavs and yes Christianity and in fact, ultimately, for all those who did not appear to be of the Tall.. Fair-Skinned .. Blond-Haired .. Blue-Eyed Nordic Type.. of whom even any Blond Poles who drifted too far from his 'ideal look', were simply fit for the death pile.

Strangely-Ironically, Hitler himself did NOT fit his very own demand.. Shortish, dark hair, Hitler-face und skin.

IF Hitler had been a classical Nordic (Aryan, so he thought), and came upon himself as he really was, he'd be sent to a camp at best.

The U.S. Gov't has a publication.. "Liberation of the Nazi Concentration Camps: 1945" .. which ties in with Elie Weisel, etc., AS WELL AS military representatives from every nation -- including the USA and Russia..
ITgives an insight into what the soldiers encountered while overrunning these camps -
advancing from both the East and West..

it gives the Nazi Camps a 1st hand POV from everyone's POV.

It appears to not be easy to find anymore

http://www.amazon.com/Liberation-Na...1_fkmr3_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1338472267&sr=8-2-fkmr3

 

Here is how horrible the Nazi's must have been to Eli Weasel. He was nursed back to health in the hospital infirmary after a foot injury and relates that story in "Night"...that is some kind of way for a Nazi to treat a worthless jew, huh? His father, who eventually died of dysentary, spent months being nursed in the hospital infirmary. Why, I wonder...weren't these worthless jews just gassed?

......when the Russians were advancing, Weasel was given the option of staying to be liberated or leaving with his "captors"....he chose to leave with the evil Nazi's. All of this is related in "Night".

Odd, no?

 

Raymondo you've said this in a couple of threads. Holocaust denial is not illegal in the UK

 

Holocaust denial is explicitly or implicitly illegal in 17 countries: Austria, Belgium, Canada, Czech Republic, France, Germany, Hungary, Israel, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, and Switzerland The European Union's Framework decision on Racism and Xenophobia states that denying or grossly trivializing "crimes of genocide" should be made "punishable in all EU Member States". Ministers of Justice have compared laws criminalizing Holocaust denial with those condemning incitement to ethnic or racial hatred in the United Kingdom and the Netherlands.

I agree that the UK position is hardly as explicit as it is in the 17 EU countries shown above .
But after reading the comments that follow that list , it would be surely only semantics that distinguishes the UK's position from the others .
I cannot personally remember the debate but I wonder if we left matters as they were because no new legislation was deemed necessary when we already had laws " condemning to ethnic or racial hatred "
But I am not a Lawyer .

 

I have read those war memoirs and they were written for general readers to grasp a sweeping history of the Second World War and there was no point in getting into technical details which would be offensive or repulsive. Churchill was especially diplomatic about it and he edited out many entries which were in the initial drafts.

"A distinguishing feature of the Dachau Camp was the gas chamber for the execution of prisoners and the somewhat elaborate facilities for execution by shooting. The gas chamber was located in the center of a large room in the crematory building. It was built of concrete. Its dimensions were about 20 by 20 feet, and the ceiling was some 10 feet in height. In two opposite walls of the chamber were airtight doors through which condemned prisoners could be taken into the chamber for execution and removed after execution. The supply of gas into the chamber was controlled by means of two valves on one of the outer walls, and beneath the valves was a small glass-covered peephole through which the operator could watch the victims die. The gas was let into the chamber through pipes terminating in perforated brass fixtures set into the ceiling. The chamber was of size sufficient to execute probably a hundred men at one time." (From Document No. 47 of the 79th Congress, 1st Session, Senate Report (May 15, 1945) of the Committee Requested by Gen. Dwight D. Eisenhower to the Congress of the U.S. relative to Atrocities and other Conditions in Concentration Camps in Germany. This document was entered into the Nuremberg trial proceedings as IMT Document L-159)

http://www.scrapbookpages.com/dachauscrapbook/gaschamber/descriptions.html

 

It isn't illegal in the UK. The decision was made by Michael Howard, himself a Jew, who believed that if we made it illegal we would turn deniers into martyrs.

http://www.jweekly.com/article/full/2872/britain-criticized-for-rejecting-holocaust-denial-law/

Certainly if it is used to incite hate a person can be charged. It also would be the end of most people's career but questioning the holocaust or researching it or writing a book about it is not against the law in the UK. Nick Griffin did 'mumble' his views on it on Question Time and no arrest followed though if I remember correctly he refused to say more lest he be arrested when visiting a European Country.

 

Baloney....the gas chambers are central to the holycost tale....don't tell me that none of those three world leaders would write their memoirs and not make ONE mention of them.

...and save your propaganda links...I've read it all....it is COMMON knowledge that there were no gas chambers in operation at Dachau EVER....would the Jewish Virtual Library lie about that?

It was at Dachau that German doctors and scientists first experimented on prisoners. Sigmund Rasher conducted experiments on decompression, high altitude, and freezing, ostensibly to find a way to help German fliers. Of the 200 inmates whom Rasher experimented upon, 4 in 10 died. Dr. Claus Schilling conducted malaria experimentation. Many died as a result of these pseudo-scientific experiments, and those who survived were often maimed for life. Dachau claimed many victims of want and starvation. From time to time there was also a "selection" in which the weak and crippled were sent to the gas chambers in other camps. Gas chambers were built in Dachau in 1942 but were never used. The exact number of people killed in Dachau is not known.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/judaica/ejud_0002_0005_0_04803.html

Now ya know!!

 

...and this, from your own source....see how reliable "eyewitness accounts" can be:


How many Jews were murdered at Dachau?

The precise number of Jewish deaths at Dachau is unknown. According to the Nazi camp records, there were a total of 31,951 recorded deaths from all causes at Dachau, which included people of all religions and ethnic groups. Dachau was primarily a camp for political prisoners, common criminals and religious dissidents. The majority of the prisoners who died in the camp were Catholic. It was the policy of the Nazis to send the Jews first to ghettos and then to extermination camps in Poland, not to concentration camps in Germany. When the death camps in Poland were closed between June 1944 and January 1945, the surviving Jews were transferred to camps in the Greater German Reich, including some who were brought to Dachau and then sent to the sub-camps of the main Dachau camp. In the final days of the war, Jewish prisoners in the sub-camps were brought to the Dachau main camp, along with Jewish prisoners evacuated from Buchenwald. There were 2,539 Jews at the Dachau main camp when it was liberated.

Paragraph TWO.......NO ONE WAS GASSED AT DACHAU:

How many Jews were murdered in the gas chamber at Dachau?

According to a book published by the US Seventh Army immediately after the war ("Dachau Liberated, The Official Report by The U.S. Seventh Army), there were a total of 29,138 Jews brought to Dachau from other camps between June 20, 1944 and November 23, 1944. This report says the Jews were brought to Dachau to be executed and that they were gassed in the gas chamber disguised as a shower room and also in the four smaller gas chambers. According Barbara Distel, the former director of the Memorial Site, the gas chamber at Dachau, which was disguised as a shower room, was never used for any purpose. The Dachau Memorial Site also says that the four smaller gas chambers were disinfection chambers used to kill lice in the camp clothing.

http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Dachauscrapbook/DachauFAQ.html


Now ya know!!

 

From your link:
Was Dachau the first concentration camp?

Concentration camps were first used by the British in the Boer War when 76,000 women and children were incarcerated in South Africa. The Soviet Union had an extensive network of concentration camps, called gulags, which were first opened in 1918 after the Communist revolution in November 1917. The gulags continued to operate into the 1950ies and 4.5 million out of the 18 million inmates died in the gulags. Dachau is recognized as the first official concentration camp in Germany, but there were other camps opened around the same time. Dachau was the first camp opened in the state of Bavaria.

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Incidentally, I got to visit Dachau. There's a very powerful memorial there to the victims:



That's not my photo, but it's the one I'm talking about.

 

Once upon a time I was speaking with an elderly woman from Latvia
who was a girl during WWII,
and she told me that when the Russians were advancing upon where she and her mother were,
her mother retreated to the Nazis..

 

Thanks for the heads up, Raymondo..

Holocaust Denial.. Denying that Hitler didn't send Jews to Nazi Labor Concentration Camps,
who were mistreated, and usually died there from overwork, starvation and other causes,
due to the in-general lack of food for prisoners as well as Hitler's distain for non-Aryans/Nordics

I've never personally ever met a person who denied the above..

But To simply make the slightest inquirey into the number "6 Million"..
say in seeking source support thereof
of means by which that tally of Jews (not Catholic Poles) reputed to have died in the camps came to be computed,
warrants some in some nations the inexact label .. "Holocaust Denier";
which, is worthy of Fine$ und Gaol.

The very last thing that some people are even capable of considering,
is that they are a successful product of propaganda conditioning..

WHEN you live in the space where your thoughts and words are not subjected to severe control,
your mind is afforded the opportunity to muse, meditate, cogitate, think, consider, adduce, induce UND deduce,
all by your very self...

"Verbal Engineering Precedes Social Engineering"

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Well said!!

 

Thanks for your reality-check for me, Lisa..

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and we're talking children in the care of their grandparents. And this is not even going into the torture and mutilation of children for the sake of Mengele's curiosity.

It makes me weep that Americans, AMERICANS would now deny the horror that existed and even be accomodating to bringing this hell on earth back again.

 

Who denies? Who? Name a dozen people?

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May be she and her mom retreated to the Nazis because her daddy worked for these scambags?

 

It is the last days of the big lie. This video shows what liars the so called Holicost survivors are.

The Last Days of the Big Lie

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7tHB8tD34s

Ann Frank's diary was written with ball point pens which weren't invented untill the 1950.s so Ann Frank obviously invented and manufactured the first ball point pens.
http://www.chacha.com/question/was-anne-frank's-diary-written-with-a-ballpoint-pen