whats wrong with gay married couples wanting their adopted kids to be gay

If you want to address good vs bad parenting, then that's what you should say- not play games like in your OP and make it simply about gay people. What did you really expect people to say?

 

well said

 

the problem is he misses the entire point due to the fractual indifference of his worry about hetero parents talking about the evils of being gay.

the damage done to this person is tragic...now lost in it , he can't see the forest for the grass...

 

Well, that's a perception (of your own) you have yet to prove here.

That's not just "these days", that has gone on for millennia; really... it has.

Yes, that is true.

Sexual behavior, values or roles associated with "gender" can be taught/conditioned... however, sexual orientation cannot be taught.

No kid or young adult needs to be "taught" to try any such thing.

Your poll is clearly lacking options which would have helped it to be useful.

 

There is nothing that is a filthy lie about it. Why should married gay couples get tax breaks that straight couples get? Are they going to bear children like a straight married couple is? No they are not so they do not deserve to file under MFJ status. They need to file as MFS or Single status. If they want to get married then so be it. But they do not deserve a better filing status when they cant bear children.

The only reason im against gay marriage is because they think they deserve to be in the married joint tax bracket and they do not at all. Get married, adopt a child, take your exemption credits and move on.

 

Gay couples have and raise children all the time and have been doing so for decades. Do you also think that infertile heterosexual couples should not get the same rights to marriage? Why do you think that families with children headed by same sex couples deserve less than equal treatment?

 

Gay couples do not have children. They raise them. Here's a better question. Single people raise children as well so why cant they have those tax breaks then? The single parents probably need it more than any other group.

 

Answer my question first- if a heterosexual infertile couple raises children through adoption, would you deny them the same rights you wish to deny same sex couples?

 

Clearly you dont get the point. I can answer that question, and my own, but first why do you think the IRS created separate tax brackets in the first place? As now im guessing you dont understand Federal Income Tax.

 

This is not a social issue or a Gay issue or a Hetero issue....it is a GENETIC ISSUE!

I don't care how Hetero or Gay a kids parents are....that kid will eventually come to understand what he or she is sexually.

AboveAlpha

 

I get the point completely. Now answer my question.

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Exactly, and thank you.

 

No you dont because you would realize that being married, having children, etc. is not why there is a separate tax bracket.

First look at the poll of the thread. You have 11 votes for no and 2 for yes. So people do not want homosexuality encouraged.
and now for the tax lesson.
Federal Taxation 2014 ed. Section 1 page 15 'Objectives of the Federal Income Tax Law' "The tax law attempts to encourage or discourage certain socially desirable or undesirable activities."

So now to answer all of the questions.
1 (Mine regarding why Single parents dont deserve the tax break) - The desired social strata is not to encourage single parenting.
2 (yours regarding infertile couples) - There is nothing in this social position that discourages or encourages any desired/undesired social strata.
3 (Regarding gay marriage) - As seen in the poll above there is no desire to encourage Homosexuality.

While Gay people should be tolerated and allowed to marry and live their lives as they please. There is no reason and rightfully should be no reason to encourage any such thing. So as a country should we tolerate single parenting and gay marriage? Of course, its just a part of the world we live in. But we do not have to encourage single parenting or gay marriage. And as the poll shows, it isnt desired.

 

Uh, guess what? I voted no on the poll too and I'm homosexual. You know why? Well, obviously not, since you have not read the thread.

Children should not be pushed into any sexuality, whether it be heterosexual, homosexual or bisexual. This is why- I was raised by heterosexual fundamentalist Christian parents, but yet, I'm homosexual. I was taught all my early life that I was wrong, bad, a sinner and everything else terrible you can think of. I was taught to be heterosexual, but I was not. It took over a decade for me and my family to reconcile, as they did some awful things to me when I came out.

The reason I voted no in this thread is for that very reason- no one can teach anyone sexuality. What we should teach kids is to be themselves, whether that be heterosexual, homosexual or bisexual. You have completely misunderstood this thread and the poll. I suggest you read through it before you make these claims you have made.

No one should be taught to be anything. They should be taught that whatever they are with regard to homosexual or heterosexual is OK. Be yourself and be the best you can be. We only get one life.

 

Perhaps you misunderstand the poll. Perhaps the reason people made such a vote is because they don't think it is possible or appropriate to try and push your child one way or the other, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the same person believes it's wrong to support the union that the child eventually will choose. Quite the contrary, society and parents have often expressed strong interest in supporting stable unions, regardless of the genders involved. With stable unions generally comes financial and emotional stability, longer life spans, and a reduced burden on the social services of the state.

 

I havent mis-read anything. The point of the poll is should gay parents encourage their kids to be gay. The results say no. As I said in my first post Gay marriage should be legal just that they dont deserve the tax benefits. The reason? Its not something we are encouraging. Otherwise, everyone would be in the same tax bracket.

 

It's possible to desire to encourage stable couplings, without wanting to specifically encourage homosexual or heterosexual coupling. the poll does not adderss this.

 

You misread everything. Go back and read the thread that you came into so late. No child should be taught to be heterosexual, bisexual or homosexual. Period. They are what they are and should be accepted for what they are.

Same with the government. The government should not be encouraging or discouraging those things, as people are what they are.

Why in the hell would we try to force our sexuality on our kids, when that was done to us in a very horrible way? Answer, we wouldn't. Why? Because we know what we went through. There is no way in hell I would tell a child of mine to be gay or straight. I would tell them to be whatever they are in that regard.

My family disowned me at 19 simply because I was gay. I've done quite well for myself with no help from them ever since. I still refuse any assistance from them, and have never taken one penny from my parents. I'm now 46, and have been in advertising for over 14 years in Chicago.

I never let my parents give me anything, as those things come with strings. I do, however, send presents at Christmas, go home to visit and all.\

Does this sound fun to you?

 

The desire is not to encourage stable couplings. There isnt any discouragement involved either. If that was the case then Gay couples would get heavier taxes. It is simply the desire of having a couple forming a union to bear children that will contribute to the state. That is just what is desired. Just because heterosexual couples get tax benefits does not mean that the IRS is discouraging others. Gay couples fall into the same category as any normal person. Like I said if Gay couples got those same benefits then they would have to let everyone into that tax bracket. It wouldnt be fair to single parents. Plus they would have to deal with straight single people faking a gay marriage for economic benefits. Everyone able would literally just get legally married for tax breaks. It has nothing to do with encouraging people to be straight or gay. It has to do with getting straight people to get married and re-produce. Thats it.

 

Really? Would you marry you best guy friend, tell your entire family you're gay to get a benefit?

Rock on, dude. I'm kind of in favor of that.

Duh! Nobody is gonna do that? Are you kidding me?

Umm...wait. But if you're cute and willing....

Which of course you are not! Silly argument

 

BTW- gay people reproduce all the time, and have done so for decades.

 

The government is not encouraging anyone to be straight or gay. They are just encouraging straight people to get married and re-produce. Like if you really are gay and just wanted to be able to marry the person you love then being held in the same tax bracket as any other normal person should not bother you. You should be happy that people recognize your marriage. The fact that you cry about not getting a tax benefit paints the picture that love isnt the reason you want to marry, but instead, it is an economically driven motive.

 

Not crying about anything, just insisting my country treat me equally under the law. Do you really think that straight people will quit getting married because gay people do too? Why should heterosexual infertile couples be treated differently from us? You still have not answered that question.

You have not made your case.

First it was, "same sex couples don't have kids"

Then it was "The government is just trying to encourage people to reproduce." Even though same sex couples go to great lengths to prove themselves worthy of being adoptive parents or have children through artificial insemination. Oh, I know- how horrible. Because infertile couples never try to have children via AI, right?

I have to assume that you would deny infertile heterosexuals the right to marry if you want this to stand. Say so, or admit you are wrong. I'm sick of your bigoted crap.

 

You dont think that people will fake a marriage for money purposes?
People fake being gay all the time, especially since it is becoming more acceptable in society. Just like people fake being straight. If you really are a gay person then you should have experience running into people like that at some point in your life.
I dont think you lived in a closet. You must have lived in a hole or cave.

 

Gay people re-produce? Please explain. The only way I could think of is by surrogate methods, which in that case is not the gay couple re-producing. It is the surrogate only. A single person can be a surrogate parent. So why should that entitle you to a benefit that a single person cant get?

 

How are you not being treated equally under the law? You get the same tax rates as any other normal person. The IRS doesnt increase your taxes for being gay. You are still allowed to claim any adopted or in your case surrogate children as a dependent and receive your exemptions. You are just crying because you want more money at this point. You should be happy that your love of another is recognized but you cant. Its about the money to you. Or at least thats what your making it about.