When is an abortion NOT an abortion? Focusing on two weeks post conception

How many innocents killed in a war is to many?

 

Your first bit is about committing and act of assault and is against the law and would and should be charged as murder.
Abortion is not against the law. It was not against the law in the US until after 1860 when the practice was outlawed as it was dangerous to the woman. It had nothing to do with the fetus. It was made legal again in 1973 and has been legal since that time.

You are in this because it is a control issue for women. You support killing in other forms and refuse to answer the questions I ask you directly about that. You use this issue solely to wash the blood from all the rest of the killing you support.

 

Bull(*)(*)(*)(*) right back at you! The HOPE is developing from the moment the sperm unites with the egg. Do you need video evidence? I like Visible Embryo.

You can cite a million possibilities. The fact is a HOPE is killed.

Treat the disease process. if it is terminal to the fetus, that is a tragic consequence.

Talk about semantic games! What do they do with aborted fetuses? Go ahead...post it!

Two weeks post implantation:



Another view:

No, dear, I did not say you attacked me. I said you lack insight as to you breaking the express wish that this thread not disolve into the "it's a baby, it's not a baby" argument. This is what you said...

 

What word would I use? Abortion and when that fetus breaths than it is life. Life breaths it's first breath than it is a person. Not until that moment is it a person with the same status as those who have already been birthed.

Morality has nothing to do with law and should not. Slavery ended and is gone. Law is about creating a civil society with respect for those that are alive and breathing outside of the womb.

 

It is arbitrary, because war is an act of self defense. Any action is justified in self defense.

I answered your question. Now answer mine.

 

That just shows ignorance of biology. Fetus is a specific term. Look it up. Also--life is a biological term. Look that up too. If you mean [breeth] --put an "e" at the end of the word.

That says a lot!

Only because MORALITY interposed and made a difference.

Fetal homicide laws disagree with you.

 

Abortion is no less an assault and no less violent!!!!

Slavery was once legal as well, so that made it acceptable and good in your eyes? It was justified the same way too, by dehumanizing the victims.

Well you can keep lying to yourself if you need to to sleep at night, but we both know you are lying. I want laws to be consistent. Legal abortion is inconsistent with all other homicide law. It stands alone in its ridiculousness.

 

Self defense justifies the killing of thousands of innocents who did nothing wrong? How nice that human life means so little to you in the grander scope of things.

Murder is never okay. Abortion is just fine as it is not murder, it is abortion.

 

When the fetus takes a breath it is a person not one second before. I don't need to look anything up to know that I can't take a fetus out for ice cream on it's own if it does not breath on its own first.

Fetal homicide laws are fine with me. The woman has the choice to abort a fetus. If she has chosen to keep the fetus she has decided to bring it to life and her decision has been derailed by someone else. The woman has the choice not anyone else.

 

You are simply flailing wildly about with no real point to make. War is not gone about with the intent of harming civilians.

 

There is no reason to call me names. But I guess it is above your standard to no do so. You have no defense for the rest of the killing you stand behind so you resort to names.

Slavery is over and has been over in both our lifetimes. It does not equate to abortion as it effects a person who is alive and breathing on their own.

Again I say your abortion stance is based on control of woman and nothing else.

 

So you disagree with Roe V Wade then, interesting!!!!

I'm glad you approve since they are here to stay, legalized abortion? Maybe not!

 

If the alternative is a threat to us, yes, it does. I just said any act is justifiable in self defense didnt I?

On the contrary, it means a great deal that we are willing to go to such lengths to defend it.

That appears to be a tacit admission that you are ok with killing a fetus right before birth, and that late term abortion does indeed occur under Canada's "perfect" system.

I wonder why you were so reluctant to admit it.

 

I called you names? Where?
I simply pointed out your dishonesty, but I am sure I am not the only one who noticed it.

Slavery equates to abortion nearly perfectly in the way the horrific practices were justified by those who wanted them to continue.

And again, you lie! As I have pointed out repeatedly, but hey lie to yourself if it helps you sleep at night.

 

What war has happened where innocents have not been killed?

If you can support a war you can not be protective of humans. A human designated by a being that lives. Not some cellular mass that is growing into a person.

 

What common day goes by in the world in which no innocents are killed?

I see, so if I oppose another nation systematically killing its citizens and I support our putting a stop to it, I am not protective of humans.

Like I said you are just flailing around wildly with no point to make.

 

You said I lied and what is that saying. I could say you lie every time you say you are about protecting the innocent yet you support wars where innocents die regularly. That to could be called a lie.

Slavery involves a person who has a life outside of a womb. You have given far to much ability to that fetus. It can do little on it's own without massive assists from science. Late term abortions are illegal almost everywhere.

 

Are they illegal in Canada?

 

There is a difference between knowing innocents may die and supporting that fact.

You have never heard of negotiations and peace talks. As long as military is a option many will die innocently to stop killing. Seems odd that killing is needed to end killing. Kind of like screwing for virginity.

 

I Googled it and it seems on an as needed basis. I would think where there is danger to the woman but would not say for certain.

 

Seriously? You don't know what that sentence is saying?

Why would you though? I am not lying.

What difference does being outside the womb make? What difference does the fetuses ability to do things for itself make? How much can an infant do for itself? Should they be killable at will?

Again, you are just flailing wildly with no point to make.

 

Loaded question and complex question fallacy.

Answer my previous question and then I will answer yours. Find me the statistics on "day before birth" abortions done for non-medical reasons. Please, I would like to see if this is in the majority.

 

Being outside the womb differentiates a human from a fetus. You may not be lying but you are deceptive as to being for protecting human life when you are supportive of war in any form.
They should be aborted at the woman's will. An infant can breath on it's own unless it is ill.
You do not support human life or you could find no justification for ever taking one. Yet you certainly do justify the taking of life in many instances. I on the other do not.
I am opposed to war for any reason.
I am against the death penalty.
I am fully against military for any reason outside of assisting people who are subject to some natural disaster.

You seem to support war and the death penalty. You may well even support abortion in selected cases. That makes what you say invalid as you are picking and choosing who lives and dies.

 

So is Red China. So is Iran. So Nazi Germany would likely have been had Hitler not delayed his invasion of Russia.

One innocent killed is too many under any circumstances. Your point?

Prove it.

Then we should repeal all the laws against muder, theft, child molestation and so on. Right?

And that has nothing to do with morality?

 

Of course it does, when there is no alternative.

Sure it is, as long as the victim can be dehumanized in the mind of the murderer - which of course is what the Nazis did to the Jews, and what the pro-death crowd does to unborn children.