When Islamic ‘occupation of Europe’ becomes a reality

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  1. Jonsa

    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    heres a few references for you perusal.

    http://www.ucc.org/justice_immigration_worship_biblical-references-to

    Exodus 12:49 and Leviticus 24:22 – “There shall be one law for the native and for the alien who resides among you.”

    Exodus 22:21 – Moses gives God’s law: “You shall not wrong or oppress a resident alien; for you were aliens in the land of Egypt.”

    Leviticus 19:9-10 and 23:22 – Moses gives God’s law: “You shall not strip your vineyards bare…leave them for the poor and the alien.”

    Leviticus 19:33-34 and 24:22 – When the alien resides with you in your land, you shall not oppress the alien. The alien who resides with you shall be to you as the citizen among you; you shall love the alien as yourself, for you were aliens in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.”


    Leviticus 24:23 – Moses receives God’s law: “With me you are but aliens and tenants.”

    Numbers 9:14 and 15:15-16 – “…you shall have one statute for both the resident alien and the native.”

    Numbers 35 and Joshua 20 – The Lord instructs Moses to give cities of refuge to the Levites so that when the Israelites must flee into Canaan they may have cities of refuge given to them.

    Deuteronomy 1:16 – “Give the members of your community a fair hearing, and judge rightly between one person and another, whether citizen or resident alien.”

    Deuteronomy 6:10-13 – The people of Israel are made aware that the land had come to them as a gift from God and they were to remember that they were once aliens.

    Deuteronomy 10:18-19 – “For the Lord your God...loves the strangers, providing them food and clothing. You shall also love the stranger, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt.”
     
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    Are we a theocracy based on the Old Testament? You sure that's a box you want to open?
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, Just answering your question. the bible is where it tells the Christian nation of America to take care of refugees. Course in this instance America is a secular nation, not a christian one.
     
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    Yes, we are not a Christian nation, as the left usually says, which is why I find it odd that a left-winger would use the Old Testament to justify the bringing in of refugees.

    Just the kind of progressive double-standard that we can expect.
     
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    ^^
    Sounds like we got a Muslim problem like the same kind of people ones said we got a Jew problem

    Fake news much
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh I'm sorry I was thinking about the evangelical right that completely ignored their own religious morality and supported a serial adulterer and liar.

    As for double standards, your pot looks a lot blacker than my kettle, but hey you can't see it, can you.
     
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    The Muslim should learn to assimilate fully into European culture or they will be hated by more Europeans.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I agree, but it requires time to shed an immigrant's cultural baggage. I've observed it takes the third generation to be fully assimilated, at least in my part of the world.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    my dad is a second-generation immigrant.

    as American as apple pie.

    i know many second-generation immigrants who are extremely Americanized.

    i know of ZERO 2nd generation immigrants who are not Americanized.
     
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    Oh, is that so? What a pity that, for instance, Iran hadn't democratically elected a quite progressive government. That'd never happen, right?

    Oh, right, they did. And the US backed a revolution to overthrow that because they wanted cheap oil.

    And what a shame it was that islamists got into power in Afghanistan! I'm sure the US did all it could to prevent that!

    Oh, right, it was the US that backed the islamists, because they wanted cheap oil.

    Imagine how wonderful the Middle East could have been if the US hadn't insisted on constantly ****ing it up.
     
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    Are you sure you really want to bring up history? After all, Iran had elected a democratic and progressive government, but then the US decided they couldn't have any of that, so they backed a revolution to overthrow it. So, it looks to me more like it's the US that insists on keeping the Middle East in the 8th century, and preventing any attempts by the people to break free from the chains that the US stuck them in.
     
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    As with most immigrants, the earlier ones create a nucleus for those that follow.
     
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    They revert to a nonsecular state on the turn of a dime, as we are presently seeing in Turkey. Present progress does not seem to be predictive at all. I do not approve of the US meddling, but IMO the results might eventually have ended up the same, or worse, without it. Part of the dynamic seems to be a general tendency toward overpopulation, not unlike the Catholics.
     
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    That is one of many reasons why some of us could not support Hillary.
     
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    its called "not being an ********".
     
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    I agree that the international action of USA didn't helped, but it's not the US who forced population to stone people. Furthermore, when their is persecutions of apostate, athees, rape culture in Egypt, I doubt the US is responsible for any of that.

    The political irresponsibility of the USA government created a lot of chaos, but the root of the mysoginistic, totalitarist culture of muslim countries have to be found in the quran.
     
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    It would depend on your humanity and what your conscience tells you
     
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    Not sure if they use buildings, but killing homosexuals is plenty popular in the Christian nations of sub-Saharan Africa. While not openly encouraging murder, American based Evangelical Christians have actively encouraged the outlawing of homosexuality. They also have close ties to churches who encourage violence against 'witches', some of them children.

    'Honor killings' are a feature of life in Christian, Muslim, Yazidi, Sikh & Hindu communities. Female genital mutilation is common across religious divides in Africa (I know women from Christian communities that pre-date Islam who have had it done). There are still Hindu communities that practice human sacrifice (sometimes of children). Suicide bombing was perfected and widely used by a predominantly Hindu that some sources claim had senior Christian members. Christian Central Africa is the rape capital of the world and has seen millions killed in the past 25 years, often by leaders or groups professing divine inspiration. Even supposedly peaceful Buddhists have conducted some terrifying religiously-motivated violence.

    By all means sound off about Islam. I'm not a fan and I think large scale Muslim immigration is a mistake. Just don't kid yourself that it is somehow out on its own when it comes to vile behavior. Other religious communities can be every bit as nasty, sometimes worse. Also don't fall for the demographic fantasies pedaled by the OP.
     
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    Zionist troll, hoping to create division amongst people.
     
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    Really, how has your life changed? I accuse you of being guilty of treason to your country, now prove your innocence traitor!
     
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    That is an incredibly weak argument; to somehow try to excuse the horrible actions of the US with "Oh, it might just have gone to crap anyway!".

    And you're saying they "revert to a nonsecular state on the turn of a dime"? Did you miss the part where Iran elected a democratic and progressive government and the US decided to overthrow it? You don't get to criticize anyone for reverting to a nonsecular state.

    Not to mention Saudi Arabia, basically the country from which all these extremists originate, and they're an ALLY to the US?
     
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    Excuses, excuses.

    The US decided to support islamist extremists in Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, and Afghanistan, and now you're trying to wiggle away from responsibility for that.
     
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    We're under no requirement to take in refugees from countries that we "destroy".
     
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    I don't care of excuses for american governement, I'm not american, so I couldn't care less of finding excuses to american people and even less to your governement.

    Just open the quran, read the hadith or read about the life of Muhammed. The quran is filled with overwhelming violence, their is violence in the bible, but the quran is one huge step further.

    You have a book who says "kill everyone not muslim", you have a prophet who kill infidels and enslave their wives and children, so how could we be surprized that their fidels do the same.
    Violence existed everywhere in this world, horrors was almost a norm and muslims never had the monopoly of that, the fundamental light and darkness is shared by all human, some succeed to make raise the inherent light and some are deep in the inherent darkness.
    However, not everybody decided to follow a man who encouraged to kill and enslave people.

    Their is no extremism in Islam, mainly people following by the book the instructions of their prophet.

    Many territories knew the horros of war. South Korea, Japan, Taiwan knew all of that, they're today well developped countries, everytime a muslim country became more developped, they choose the way of secularity. The craftman of modern Turkey was a secular.

    I won't call the violent muslims extremist, I would call the tolerant one people who took some distance with their holy book.
     
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