Where can I buy a Grenade Launcher?

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  1. Media_Truth

    Media_Truth Well-Known Member Donor

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    About as stupid as it is for citizens to own assault weapons. Another quote from Reagan -

    “Well, I think there has to be some (gun) control.”

    --Ronald Reagan, during a question-and-answer session with high-school students on November 14, 1988.
     
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    Rucker61 Well-Known Member

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    Why is it stupid for citizens to own "assault weapons"?
     
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    Rucker61 Well-Known Member

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    Well, I don't consider myself to be a Republican and voted against Reagan twice.

    Rather, the Antigun crowd has become brainwashed by Bloomberg and the like

    Yet, statistics don't tell us that. They do tell us that the most we could expect would be an average of 12 fewer mass murder deaths, and that's only if a shooter doesn't t eleven to use any other weapon. Since we know that handguns are already much more common in mass shootings, we'd really wouldn't see any reduction in deaths.

    "Need" isn't a necessary condition, and reality shows that millions of Americans use "assault weapons" lawfully and peacefully in sporting activities every year.

    Every big game hunting rifle cartridge will pierce LEO body armor, and is thus "armor-piercing".

    I don't believe old Ronnie was much of a legal scholar, either.
     
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    Its funny=liberals constantly noted how stupid Reagan was until it comes to comments on guns

    Everyone believes there should be some control-like my home town saying no shooting pigeons on city square with a rifle

    Reagan was no legal scholar. He relied on say people like my former college roommate who ended up being acting AG under Bush II. and many gun banners don't understand that the states clearly have some police powers as to the use of guns and few of us constitutional objectivists take issue with that

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    especially since CIVILIAN police departments have concluded those are IDEAL for self defense by CIVILIAN EMPLOYEES in an urban environment
     
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    reagan was senile by 1994. He was swayed to adopt anti gun nonsense after his friend was rendered into a cripple

    why should anyone care what Reagan said after his brain faded and he was no longer in office

    you have to do a bit better with those of us who really understand this issue

    we get tired of people who pretend to have anti gun arguments but really have ANTI CONSERVATIVE VOTER bias

    for starters, educate us on your understanding of firearms.

    what is a more lethal round-

    1) SS109 NATO ball-the standard issue for the current US military service rifle or

    2) the Most popular deer hunting cartridge in the USA
     
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    Media_Truth Well-Known Member Donor

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    Tell that to the NRA. Based on your comment, I assume you're not a supporter. I never said Reagan was stupid, and I'm not the one that brought it up. I'll leave the defamation and character attacks to FOX News.
     
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    Here is what I am

    a former national shooting champion, (ISU skeet) who also was what would now be called a grand master in two different pistol disciplines including holding a national record-that to the best of my knowledge-was never broken due to rule changes. I shoot over 50 competitions a year and I spent 24 years as a DOJ attorney and had numerous issues and matters involving firearms, firearms dealers and makers. Firearms rights is one of the two major issues that I base my votes on. Judges being the other one

    I also am a life member of the NRA and part of something called the committee of one thousand of the Second Amendment Foundation
     
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    Media_Truth Well-Known Member Donor

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    How about this for my understanding. Australia, who has a history very similar to ours, with a Wild West, etc., banned guns in the 1980s. Some lunatic opened fire in a school in Melbourne, killing a bunch of kids, and their PM and legislators made the right move. For a few years after, the NRA used to point to this as a failed legislative attempt. It should be noted that the NRA used statistics from a radical right organization, to support their position. The Australian PM wrote the NRA, and asked them to quit quoting false statistics on gun violence in Australia. Now they enjoy a much more civil society, with very little gun violence.
     
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    Media_Truth Well-Known Member Donor

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    The gentleman said it was stupid to own a grenade launcher. I believe an assault weapon is equally as dangerous, when it comes to a killing machine. So it follows - that both are stupid.
     
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    there is much fail in that. Australia has a much smaller population and much less guns per capita and rare gun crime. The gun ban only banned some guns-such as semi auto rifles, pump shotguns, and handguns above a certain caliber (38/9mm) there are now more guns in australia than when the ban took place. You are spewing propaganda that has no relevance to our society

    rather than me spending hours ferreting out what your points are, why don't you just tell us what gun laws you want imposed in America and why

    I also will hazard a guess that if you were actually able to vote in the recent election you voted for Hillary or Stein

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    that's not very smart to say. California law defines the Walther 22 short olympic target pistol as an "assault weapon"

    the 1994 clinton gun ban defined an AR 15 as an assault weapon but not one that got rid of the flash hider and the bayonet lug

    how is a semi auto rifle as dangerous as a grenade launcher
     
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    If that's your understanding, then you really don't know what happened in Australia at all.
     
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    ....the people committing murder would still be killing just as many people.
     
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    No, it wouldn't.

    Of the 12-13k murders per year, most of them are simply felons shooting other felons. That's a good start, not a problem.

    Then you have to consider how many lives are saved from Defensive Gun Usage. Even if we use the liberal McDowall study, that's 100,000 people every year that prevent violence against themselves using their firearms.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/...ve-Gun-Use-Part-V-A-Comparison-of-Two-Studies

    The fact is we have doubled the number of guns in this country in the same time frame violent crime has dropped by half.

    Clearly, the argument cannot be made that more guns = more violent crime.
     
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    Really?

    What are we doing about trucks?

    I mean, a Renault assault van killed and injured over 500 people all on it's lonesome in Nice, France.

    Clearly, it's a weapon of mass destruction rivaling any gun attack in history. A Ma Deuce machine gun would have been hard pressed to have killed and wounded that many people.
     
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    Machine guns are already controlled via the NFA. An AR-15 is not a machine gun, and an AK-47 is not necessarily a "machine gun".

    Certain forms of ammunition are controlled. Tracers.

    All bullets, especially rifle bullets, will pierce armor. If I shoot you with a bolt action 30.06, you're screwed no matter what you're wearing. It's worth noting a crossbow or broadhead arrow will go through like butter in most cases too.
     
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    With gun crime steadily going up in Australia, they're now changing their story from "we need to control guns" to "we need to control ammunition".

    With liberals, their failure excuses are always that they "didn't go far enough".

    http://freebeacon.com/issues/australia-sees-spike-in-gun-crime-despite-outright-ban/

    http://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2015/11/10/australias-secret-gun-problem-exposed/
     
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    The gun banners who ignore facts such as those you have posted, are not really motivated by public safety. If they were, their efforts would be directed at distracted driving, drinking and other things that kill far more Americans than those who legally own guns-which are less than 3 thousand deaths a year. Public safety is clearly not the main motivator for such gun banners since gun violence that is due to "legally owned" guns is a very minor issue. Rather, its a politically based jihad against the rights of people who don't vote the way the gun banners prefer we do
     
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    What has Ronald Reagan have to do with what I posted? My post was about someone trying to buy an RPG on the internet. Remember Pinocchio is listening, ask Snowden.
     
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    Because it is truthful. You cannot point to anything that accurately proves the AR-15, or any other civilian-market rifle, was designed to be a mass killing machine. You have no evidence to back up your claim. You have absolutely nothing, otherwise you would have presented it.

    The AR-15 is used in all applications where use of a rifle is appropriate, because it is recognized as superior compared to all other available firearms. It is a hunting rifle, it is a target rifle, it is a home and self defense rifle, it is even a police rifle. To declare it to be a mass killing machine, is to state that police officers have a legitimate need for mass killing machines capable of ending a great many lives in very short order.
     
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    Let us say for the sake or argument that the original Armalite rifle known as the AR-15, was in truth no different from what is known today as the M16, and it was indeed a selective-fire firearm. Let us say that this is indeed correct for the purpose of discussing this matter.

    Is there any physical evidence to prove that the AR-15 of today is the exact same as the AR-15 of Armalite origin, inside and out, and thus a true automatic weapon? Or rather is it simply a similar-looking firearm, wearing a model designation that ceased to hold relevance upon the Colt manufacturing company renaming the platform as the M16? Is it a true machine gun as designated and defined by federal law? Or is it merely a semi-automatic rifle, thus making it no different from any other semi-automatic rifle that has been available to the general public for more than a century?
     
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    Observe as modern kevlar armor is defeated and rendered useless by nothing more than a crossbow.

    [video=youtube;1nLRymWv-CA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nLRymWv-CA[/video]

    [video=youtube;tQ4WMLgvOu4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQ4WMLgvOu4&t=73s[/video]
     
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    Haven't you seen pictures in which grenade launchers are seen in the background in evidence rooms when police make a major bust? I know I've seen them before in pictures from different departments, so they are out there. Twenty years ago the media could have literally squashed any stories if a grenade launcher was used, but today with smartphones that take pictures and video it would be impossible to hide such a thing...
     
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    I spent 24 years with DOJ-I cannot recall any "grenade" crimes. its a non issue and the OP was a silly anti gun post
     
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    Depends on what you're asking (though to be honest this smells of a troll thread or a teenager watching way too many movies). If you want the real deal all you have to do is google "class 3 grenade launcher" and a site like this will show up.

    http://www.autoweapons.com/products/destructivedevices.html

    The process is rather simple but expensive and time consuming. However if you don't want to go through all that you can get a 37mm flare launcher that looks like a grenade launcher.
     
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    A lot of cars stolen were once legal too. Your point?

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    All untrue. More mass shootings are done with pistols than ARs
     

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