Where will flee Christian Europeans after Islam gains majority in forty years?

Discussion in 'Western Europe' started by Ostap Bender, Jun 14, 2012.

  1. Ostap Bender

    Ostap Bender Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 13, 2008
    Messages:
    14,957
    Likes Received:
    1,274
    Trophy Points:
    113
    A seriously question, no one can already stop Islamization of Europa because Christianity is positively died, therefore what will be happened with the last True Christians there? According to Muslim law they must either to embrace Islam or to became Jimmi or to be killed. For European politicians or some church leaders to embrace Islam is no problem. The same will be happen to 90 % of all Europeans who will completely free became Muslim. But what will do the last True Christians, where will they flee, any thoughts?Do not forget that in 40 - 50 years most of all Western countries will became probably Muslim. It could be punishment of God for all those who rejected Christianity and accepted socialistic-atheistic politically correct utopias.
     
  2. mutmekep

    mutmekep New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 25, 2012
    Messages:
    6,223
    Likes Received:
    46
    Trophy Points:
    0
    In 40 years there will be no christian Europeans , given the recent trends most will be atheist and some minorities will follow old religions.
    The vast majority of immigrants are christian Africans and soon their version of christianity will be the dominant one on a global scale.
    Europe is not getting "islamized" , people from muslim countries come here learn new ways and take them back into their homeland , the fact that some fanatics are so protective with their religion is an indicator .
    Religions are coming in Europe to die.
     
  3. Anders Hoveland

    Anders Hoveland Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2011
    Messages:
    11,044
    Likes Received:
    138
    Trophy Points:
    0
    I am guessing they will all start a separatist colony in Antarctica, because there will be nowhere left for them to escape to.
     
  4. clarisse150

    clarisse150 Member

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2012
    Messages:
    415
    Likes Received:
    8
    Trophy Points:
    18
    I don't think, and I don't hope that Europe will be Muslim; I think European will be wake up them before that, and make change the things for stay in majority in their country.
    There's more and more European who take car to this problem, so, I don't think Europe will be muslim!
     
  5. Anders Hoveland

    Anders Hoveland Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2011
    Messages:
    11,044
    Likes Received:
    138
    Trophy Points:
    0
  6. clarisse150

    clarisse150 Member

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2012
    Messages:
    415
    Likes Received:
    8
    Trophy Points:
    18
    Disturbing video!
    But now, I don't think that in Europe we can speak about that without be considerate as a racist person...
    But this suject is less and less taboo; so, I think that one day we will speak about this problem in Europe.
     
  7. TopCat

    TopCat New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2008
    Messages:
    457
    Likes Received:
    5
    Trophy Points:
    0
    This is the essence of political correctness. Rhetoric designed to paralyse response to issues and to lump those with genuine concerns over immigration with the extreme right. All this Nazi this and Nazi that sounds like a tape recorder endlessly playing a tired old propaganda tape of Lenin.
     
  8. clarisse150

    clarisse150 Member

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2012
    Messages:
    415
    Likes Received:
    8
    Trophy Points:
    18
    Yes, you're right!...
    All the politicans who want reduce the immigration are associate to Nazi, extrem right, racists etc... But there's no any report; immigration is a subject as the other, we must speak about it but we can't... So, of course, now, there's some problem because this isn't well managed!
     
  9. Ostap Bender

    Ostap Bender Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 13, 2008
    Messages:
    14,957
    Likes Received:
    1,274
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Except Islam!
     
  10. Ostap Bender

    Ostap Bender Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 13, 2008
    Messages:
    14,957
    Likes Received:
    1,274
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Europa has Dictatorship of Politically Correctness, in the big cities most of youth inhabitants already are Muslims.Leftists together with Muslims fight against any kind of "racism" or "right-wing ideology", it is almost impossible to perform anything against Islam.
    The most of Europeans are too stupid to understand that Europa will exist not longer as forty years.
     
  11. DonGlock26

    DonGlock26 New Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2010
    Messages:
    47,159
    Likes Received:
    1,179
    Trophy Points:
    0
    They are already fleeing to the US, Canada, Australia, and the Hobbit Isles. I've chatted with a few as they poured my coffee at Barnes & Nobel. I'm sure they will do well away from the UK-level of PC

    cultural suicide.

    _
     
  12. alexa

    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2008
    Messages:
    18,965
    Likes Received:
    3,421
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    Well, I was reading only yesterday that the UK does have a strong resistance to organised hate of minorities - the writer put that down to a strong memory of the Nazi's and how opposition of their mentality was still strongly alive in the collective psyche.

    For me, my Irish mum took me aside and taught me about racism when I was 4. I had never met anyone but white people at the time but I am glad at such a young age, having previously learned about the holocaust, that she alerted me to such things. Nothing to do with PC and in no way is distaste of white nationalism and persecution of minorities confined to people in the UK.
     
  13. clarisse150

    clarisse150 Member

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2012
    Messages:
    415
    Likes Received:
    8
    Trophy Points:
    18
    The thing can change during 40 years; Europeans have the time for wake up them, and I think that they will do it.
    You're right that in a lot of European city, whrite people are a minority; but in the other part of the country, that's not the case; and, I don't know if it's well or no, but people of different colors aren't very mixed.
    A lot of European understand very well; but that's impossible to speak about this in Europe... It's considered as a racist, a nazi thing... The people who see some racist everywhere prevent people to speak about this subjetcs; but in my opinion, that's less and less taboo.
     
  14. Ostap Bender

    Ostap Bender Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 13, 2008
    Messages:
    14,957
    Likes Received:
    1,274
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You're right, many German Mennonites and Free Baptists already flee to the US in droves.
     
  15. Ostap Bender

    Ostap Bender Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 13, 2008
    Messages:
    14,957
    Likes Received:
    1,274
    Trophy Points:
    113
    From where Europeans will get children, that is the point. What they can do against Muslim families with 7 - 20 children?
    And without a Fundamentalist Christianity Europa has no smallest chance to stop a such aggressive Religion like Islam.
     
  16. clarisse150

    clarisse150 Member

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2012
    Messages:
    415
    Likes Received:
    8
    Trophy Points:
    18
    In Europe have a child is expensive; the family arabs who I know have 4 or 5 childs. A if European have aproximately 2 child by family, they will stay in majority.
    And, I don't think you must be a Fundamentalist Christian for fight Islamization of Europe; patriot people, who are Christian or no, for exemple want that their countries stay like that.
     
  17. alexa

    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2008
    Messages:
    18,965
    Likes Received:
    3,421
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    Most immigrants coming from poorer countries do initially have more children. However with integration traditionally they follow the norm of the country.
     
  18. clarisse150

    clarisse150 Member

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2012
    Messages:
    415
    Likes Received:
    8
    Trophy Points:
    18
    Not really the norm to!... I don't know a lot of native French who have 5 child; but I think with the time, immigrants will do 2 or 3 childs, as the European. They just need time for be integred.
     
  19. alexa

    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2008
    Messages:
    18,965
    Likes Received:
    3,421
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    I think you are saying the same as I am. When people integrate they tend to have less children as in line with the norm of the country they are in. The BBC had some stats on that a while ago.

    Things used to be different here too. My Mother was one of 12 children!
     
  20. kilgram

    kilgram New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2010
    Messages:
    9,179
    Likes Received:
    90
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Christians in Europe? In 40 years in Europe probably Christianism will be a minority as will be Islamism. I say that only about a 10-20% of European poblation will be religious.
     
  21. clarisse150

    clarisse150 Member

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2012
    Messages:
    415
    Likes Received:
    8
    Trophy Points:
    18
    It depends what is our definiton for a Christian.. There's some who go to church all the sunday, some who go one church rarely, some who just believe, some who are agnostic etc... That's hard to say how many Christian there's in Europe, so...
     
  22. Tim Cornelis

    Tim Cornelis New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2012
    Messages:
    170
    Likes Received:
    4
    Trophy Points:
    0
    lol. Islamic families hardly have bigger families. 7 to 20 children? Haha. You are so out of touch with reality. The fertility rate of Islamic women has been falling for steadily for ages and are now barely higher. For example, in the Netherlands ultra-conservative protestants have the highest fertility rate while Turkish families have smaller families than the average Dutch family and Moroccan families have a slightly larger than the average Dutch family.

    You suffer from delusional paranoia.
     
    ryanm34 and (deleted member) like this.
  23. LemurianCitizen

    LemurianCitizen New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2012
    Messages:
    46
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    0
    The decline in religion in Europe and the supposed "islamisation" are two entirely different things, therefore, I will discuss them separately. Note that I will mostly look at the situation in Germany since I am German myself and therefore know what I'm talking about.

    Christianity dying out: Christianity is by no means dying out in Europe. The majority of Europeans still identify themselves as Christians. The only difference to the US is that people in Europe, and definitely Germany, are turning away from organized religion. This has a lot to do with the fact that the organized religions, mainly the Catholic church but to a lesser extent the Protestant churches as well, are quite unwilling to reform themselves. Things like celibacy, the divide between Catholics and Protestants, the traditional beliefs concerning contraceptives, sex before marriage and homosexuality are turning more and more people away. The massive child abuse/pedophilia scandal in the last few years didn't help either. So instead of turning to the big organized religions, the people practice their own religion. That does not mean that Europeans aren't spiritual or Christians any more.

    Islamisation: This is the worst alarmist and populistic belief of the last few years. Thanks to the economic situation, the bank and euro crisis, some people are desperately trying to find a scapegoat which are the muslim citizens this time around. At least that is my opinion. In 2011 7.3 million immigrants lived in Germany. That's 9.0% out of 81.8 million citizens. The largest homogenous group were the Turks with 1.6 million citizens. 3 million immigrants came from various EU member states and another 2.3 million immigrants came from nations not belonging to the EU. All these numbers are from the Federal Office of Statistics which you can visit here: http://www.bamf.de/SharedDocs/Anlag...eren/bundesamt-in-zahlen-2011.html?nn=1694444

    Now let's take a closer look at these numbers. I think it is pretty safe to assume that the 3 million immigrants from EU member states are not in fact muslims and therefore don't propagate "islamisation" in any way, shape or form. Even if all of the 2.3 million immigrants from non-EU member states and the 1.6 million immigrants from Turkey are all muslims, which I highly doubt anyway, then that would mean that 3.9 million muslim immigrants lived in Germany in 2011. That's about 5% of the entire population. Do you really think that 5% of the population could bring about any signifcant change, let alone an "islamisation" of Germany? I don't really think so.

    Now, there are definitely some problems with integration of immigrants in Germany and Europe as a whole. But these problems stem, in my opinion, mostly from the treatment immigrants have long since experienced in Europe. They are not in fact embraced but instead viewed as something that you have to be wary of at the very least. The immigrants have been pushed into certain city areas and avoided as much as possible. Oftentimes they don't have very good future prospects and job opportunities, something that is bound to breed frustration. And language courses for immigrants are not as freely given and intensive as they should be, at least not in Germany. Considering all this, is it really such a big surprise that we have created a parallel society in many European countries? I believe that instead of fearing some kind of "islamisation" we should be much more welcoming and forthcoming towards immigrants.
     
  24. ThirdTerm

    ThirdTerm Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2012
    Messages:
    4,325
    Likes Received:
    462
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Due to the rise of extremist parties in Europe, most established political parties started to implement more restrictive immigration policies and the era of utopian multiculturalism is already behind us. Nordic countries such as Norway and Denmark now have very restrictive immigration laws and Muslim populations in Europe are expected to decline if this trend continues. The UK government is working on a plan to reduce non-EU immigration to tens of thousands in the next few years and Britain could restrict the immigration of EU citizens if the eurozone economic crisis worsens.
     
  25. Anders Hoveland

    Anders Hoveland Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2011
    Messages:
    11,044
    Likes Received:
    138
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Take a look at how Christian communities eek out an existence in muslim countries. This may be what europeans will have to endure in the distant future. The muslims population is growing much faster than it is integrating into european culture. European culture will not so much be changed, rather it is being replaced. Religious policies that secular europeans would find completely ridiculous today will become legitimate political debates in the future.

    Politics of the future will be shaped along ethnic lines, like it is in many other countries in hte world that have ethnically diverse populations. If europeans never learned anything about Islam from the partition of India, they are probably doomed.

    http://www.statsvet.su.se/publikationer/ahmed/andra_artiklar/ahmed_partition_of_india_r.htm
     

Share This Page