White Fragility.

I as a white person, have NO, NONE, NADA, guilt.

 

No, what you need to get straight, is tolerance of all, unless one is infringing upon anothers rights.
It's really not that difficult of a concept.

It has to do with rights of all people. And to not infringe upon the rights of someone else.
It's in our founding documents.

 

Can you understand what you read?
Where was it stated no change has taken place in attitudes since the 1960s? I never stated that, so how did you draw that conclusion?

 

Just as we blame FDR. The rich guy who said only the top 1% of income would ever pay income tax. Now, that one is incredibly hard to top for multi-generational blame...and well-deserved.

What's amusing me here is how scared some of you sound to be living in a peaceful mixed-race community...unless it's mixed and NOT peaceful. Blame yourselves. It's your back yard.

 

What do you feel causes that within your party, and how would you change it?

 

Please clarify your point then about "the practices" which won't go away for another generation or two. Perhaps I misunderstood your wording/intent.

At some point, where we statistically reach near zero police killings and/or general police brutality, it becomes next to impossible to have further improvement. We can change police practices to ban knees on the neck, though officers sometimes do need to put their knee on the back in order to cuff someone. We can make qualified immunity not so "complete" that the errant officer does not walk free from murder. But, as long as there are criminals and police and both are potentially armed, then some people are going to die at the hands of police. Getting to "zero" is an impossible ask. We're pretty close to that today, and can (and should) possibly go a smidge further.

Again, it's possible that I misinterpreted your meaning in the words "the practices"....and what you think will take a generation or two and exactly what improvements you expect to see in that time versus progress made over the last 50-60 years.

 

Criminals will always seek advantages through weaponry or equipment or tactics, but the ones physically resisting arrest are far more likely to touch-off police over-response. I say that last part is not only understandable but forgivable considering what we ask cops to do under circumstances so attenuated.

It takes more guts than I posses to take a door under potentially lethal circumstances. Or face some cretin with a baseball bat or worse. Or face a whole mob of cretins. We ask one whole hell of a lot from our cops.

 

Any one who goes to jail brought it on their self. With rare exceptions.

Everybody is discriminated against in one way or another.

If you want to argue, get some facts and a rational view first.

Nobody knows the extent of systemic hate and violence which pervades the black community like the good black people . Nobody know the extent to which they themselves are responsible for the condition and how resistant it if to change. They know that no matter what other races do to try and help, that kindness has and will be taken as stupidity and fragility on the part of whites by that faction of blacks, and used to every advantage to promote a race war.

Go find some black people with some quality values and self respect and open an honest conversation. you will find they hate and fear the trash among them more than we do ours.

As Jesse Jackson once said "When walking the street at night and hearing footsteps behind me, it is a relief to turn and discover they are white footsteps"

 

You mean like the person he's eating?

 

What are you saying? All lives matter?

 

In so many words: We, the majority of rational white people, need to focus on fixing our sub-class of stupid white people and let the majority of rational black people focus on fixing their minority of stupid black people.

Seems a simpler solution to White Fragility where "all" white people are supposed to sit around and ponder the plight of "all" black people "all" day, and feel responsible "always", but maybe I'm missing something.

 

Progressive Elites are not fragile. But they are, for the most part, narcissistic.

Perhaps, "White Narcissists," was too risky and might foment too much attention to their slave bell mentality?

 

Good point...

The Black counterpoint to 1619 is the 1776 Unites project.

"Making demands on white people to rescue us from ourselves is lunacy." — Robert L. Woodson, Founder and President, The Woodson Center / 1776 Unites

 

Imagine. People actively working to solve real inequality problems in America, versus DiAngelo's White Fragility which is a solution out trying actively to create a problem.

 

No it isn't. Don't be so ridiculous. Here:

https://nepc.colorado.edu/sites/default/files/publications/Newsletter thomas_0.pdf

The NEPC newsletter actually quotes DiAngelo's book approvingly.

And that is just one of many, many examples. Here are more:

http://www.ascd.org/publications/ed...DiAngelo-on-Educators'-£White-Fragility£.aspx

That's from the Association for Supervision and Curriculum Development website.

https://www.edsurge.com/news/2018-0...education-an-interview-with-dr-robin-diangelo

http://beacon.org/assets/pdfs/DiAngelo-EducatorsProfDevGuide.pdf

Etc.

How does it feel to be proved wrong again?

The fact that the video was censored only confirms its validity and importance.

Threads die for many reasons. This one has had a pretty decent run.

Wrong. See above.

 

In my years on earth observing people and even myself.
The way one is brought up, IE, the lessons they learn as a youth, to teens and into early 20s. Pretty much stays with each person for many all of their life. Even when things change. It is hard for people to undo what they've learned as the grew into adulthood.

Ex: My father and father in law. Both grew up when the N word was really nothing more than a slang for Negro. But the meaning of that word changed to become a term for denigrating blacks. Neither could ever stop using the word when describing black players in sports leagues. It was ingrained into their thought process. Often times it was not meant derogatory, but there were times it was meant as derogatory.

So when laws change, to change behavior. Older folks, generally don't change from what they've known most of their lives.
So it's my theory, I can't point to any studies, that it will take 2 or 3, sometimes more generations for any new laws to actually take hold in the minds of people.

Those people who grew up always knowing say the N word is not tolerated, will likely never say it.
Same goes for most types of discriminatory practices.

Long winded, I hope this helps explains my viewpoint.

 

On “White Fragility”A few thoughts on America’s smash-hit #1 guide to egghead racialism

 

That would be an infringement on that person. Wouldn't it?

 

That's what equality towards all means. IMO.

 

Are you claiming a news letter is a base for education all across America?
Articles about the paper this lady has written is being taught all across America?

Until this thread, never heard of it.

 

DiAngelo's Author's Note in White Fragility, is indistinguishable from something any run-of-the-mill white supremacist might write. In context, of course, we know that the only "white pride" white people are supposed to feel is if they feel significantly ashamed for being born white.

Bunch of hocus pocus.



https://accordingtohoyt.com/2020/02...bin-diangelo-part-one-fisked-by-adedayo-dayo/

 

Thanks for the very interesting link and compliment.

 

No. You made that up to divert readers' attention from the fact that I have proved you objectively wrong.

It's a book, not a paper, and many teachers are drawing from it for classroom use in many states, proving me right and you wrong.

Because you made it up. Not rocket science.

 

Many? Exactly how many? 5, 6, 10? schools all across America.
Prove I am not diverting attention.

As I said, I've never heard of this book until this thread. So it isn't all that known.
And it was written in 2011? 9 yrs ago? Wow it spread quickly eh?