White House not ruling out Putin proposal to let Russia question ex-US ambassador, prominent financi

That's why negotiations and discussions are left to capable people.

You never reject another's proposal. It's money in the bank for future discussion.

 

You clearly don't negotiate. At least not very well.

There are certain lines that you won't cross. If someone asks you to cross one of those lines, you weaken your position by saying, "let me think about it."

 

That's a crick of horseshit, nobody would have had an issue with him telling Putin, "HELL NO you are not interrogating US citizens and you know it.

 

I have no idea what you're talking about. Your response makes no sense. Never mind the poor grammar.

 

I don't negotiate very well? And you base that on what?

If I had to guess off the top of my head, I'd say I've negotiated over $4 billion in deals in my lifetime, including the nine figure sale of my company.

So, you might want to tone down the assumption engine a bit, it's driving you over the edge.

The art of negotiation entails many details, chief among them is to allow the other side to reveal their position by allowing them to think everything they propose is worthy of consideration. It's the most preposterous that becomes the greatest wedge in future meetings.

Perhaps it would be best to admit your bias makes it impossible to view anything the President does objectively.

 

Actually, for this administration, I'm not sure what stands out more... that they wont immediately rule it out or that they claim they are thinking...

 

You seem to really enjoy misusing the term "dog whistle".

And you're living in a narrow little fantasy world if you actually believe that Trump's self contradictions, evasions, and outright lies are something our "media friends have been feeding" us.

This outcry is occurring all over the world. Indeed, the only place where you will find anyone trying to defend Trump's reprehensible behavior over the last two weeks are Russian media, Fox News, and the usual crowd of extremist right wing blogs in the United States.

The rest of the world sees Trump for what he is. A dangerous, irresponsible man child, who is acting as a one man wrecking ball who seems bent on handing Vladimir Putin every foreign policy win he ever dreamed of.

No only did Putin own Trump in that meeting, and in the press conference, Putin actually criticized Trump to his face about his stupid withdrawal from the Iranian agreement. He evidently secured a completely irresponsible and disloyal pledge from Trump to turn over US officals to the Russian secret police for questioning.

 

I've negotiated a few nine-figure deals myself, so don't think that is anything special.

Let's test your theory that no offer is so preposterous as to warrant an immediate rejection:
- North Korea offers to enter into discussions with America about the possibility of ending all nuclear tests for the next 3 years.
- in exchange i.e. in order for those discussions to begin, America will have to immediately end sanctions agains NK, withdraw all US military presence from SK and Japan, and decommission all its military bases in SK and Japan and hand them back to their respective countries. Discussions about the possibility of ending nuclear tests don't even start until America completes these requirements.

According to you, America would not reject this proposal, just say, "hmmmm, that's interesting. Let us think about that for a while."

 

The cult of personality runs strong in them.

They sit on their hands, or openly cheer their man child hero, as he gives comfort and aid to our rivals and enemies, and insults and undermines our allies.

Now he's actually talking openly about handing over a US diplomat to the Russian secret police.

MAGA indeed...….

 

Thank you for your opinion.

It's like all the others put out by the left's propaganda ministries, so not sure why you would waste so much time posting such a long treatise.

Just another dog whistle...……..LOL

 

Or, it is just talk, a bluff, just like we know for a fact Putin would not do it. The guy Putin is after isn't even an American.

It proves by Putin's offer, and giggles when the indictment was read to him, the twelve are guilty. Did you miss that?

Although my weakness is redheads, if convicted hang her. We need to hang some Russian spies.

 

LOL

You have negotiated? Were any successful?

If I were negotiating that deal, my answer would be, "thanks for the offer, let us think about it". I would then return at a later point with a counter offer.

I get the impression you'd exclaim "that is preposterous" and walk away.

Sort of tanks the possibility of making any progress, don't you think?

Perhaps that's how you think negotiations are conducted.....

 

Nothing, Putin is not going to do it and never had any intention of doing it. Putin doesn't want to interview the Magnitsky Act guy, it's a bluff, he knows we won't do it and any talk about it interferes in our midterm election. If Trump calls his bluff, Trump goes down before he can bluff.

Putin wins even if Trump had immediately rejected the idea, just like all these traitors kept bringing up the Taliban's offer on Osama, Putin offered we rejected, Putin wins.

 

And if Trump said that, the haters and the MSM would all be whining for weeks that it's not a big deal and Trump turned it down because he is terrified of Mueller interrogating the indicted Russians.

You're not fooling anyone.

 

Every time you start negotiating you have to be prepared to walk away. Sometimes walking away is the step that makes progress.

 

BS. Very few people (if any) would criticise him for refusing to consider offering up a former ambassador to Russia for interrogation.

 

Can't say anything about your negotiating skills. I have some pretty big deals under my belt as well, including one that is sitting in my office right now.

But, I can say that if you still think that Trump is any kind of negotiator at this point, you must have given away the store without realizing it.

Because that is what Trump has done every time so far. Trump has unilaterally given away his biggest bargaining chip, usually without even asking for anything in return.

He gave China the gift of the decade when he quit the TPP without even asking for anything from the Chinese (of course, based on his comments on the campaign, it was fairly clear that Trump didn't actually know what the TPP is).

He undermined our allies in Japan and South Korea repeatedly in his runup to his pageant in Singapore. After that, he undermined our South Korean allies by cancelling joint military exercises in public without telling them. China and Moscow were obviously delighted.

Moscow cheered when Trump unilaterally insulted Merkel, Teresa May and the Queen of England.

And Putin looked like the cat that ate the canary as Trump babbled on about Hillary Clinton and the last election and bellowed that there was no collusion.

Then, when a reporter asked Putin what he had on Trump, Putin gave a convoluded answer designed to hold the entire bag over Trump's head on live television.

Trump is a fool. A spoiled little child who played at being a player on his daddy's money ,and wound up in the hands of Russian gangsters after he squandered his credibility and his credit.

His behavior as President is no different.

NO ONE trusts this man. Noone. And he gives them good reason not to every time he opens his mouth.

Never being held responsible is core to his being. It appears to be the main reason why Trump constantly contradicts himself in public statements, lies openly, and undermined his staff.

Reality for his is saying whatever gets you buy in that particular moment. Beyond that, there is nothing.

After a year and a half, he still has no understanding of the impact that the words of the President of the United States has on the world stage. Nor does he seem to care.

The Bully Pulpit is one of the most powerful sources of soft power in the world. Trump is squandering it.

He understand how to entertain his Fox News base perfectly well. He has that down perfectly., He is a mirror image of the fears, prejudices, and parochial world view of his base. He speaks pitch perfect Archie Bunker.

That may entertain a base that views politics as a big game show. But the game is being last. And Trump's unknown comic act isn't good for the world.

 

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This.

 

Gee, I guess if you move the scenarios around enough, you can come up with anything to try and make your point.

There are times you don't even get to a negotiation.

 

Wow. Another long propaganda laden treatise. You're on a roll.

 

And in my 73 years I have never been so shocked that anyone would be so ignorant as to repeat this BS. The US is never going to turn over a a US ambassador to the Russians. In your 45 years you should have become smart enough to understand that simple fact.
Spreading this **** does no good for your cause so part of me says continue, but watching a political party commit a painfully slow suicide in not in the best interest of any country.

 

I take it you don't read newspapers or own a television. Because the global media is on fire over this. (although maybe not Fox).

The very idea that any US President would offer up any citizen of the United States to the secret police of a country that is waging a cyber war against the United States is unreal, and unconscionable.

 

I posted a factual news article. I don’t have a cause other than to call an idiot out when he is being and idiot.

To even suggest you would give 1 second to think about letting an adversary have any time with an ambassador is mind boggling. So spare me the incendiary attack on me. It’s a waste of your time to type it out.

 

I don't know what that is supposed to mean.

 

Obama would have been run out of office. Fox would be 24/7 screaming and yelling. And rightfully so.