Who does a $15 an hour minimum wage help?

Before you even begin, you have to define living wage. Is that for a single person, a family? 1 person, 4 people, 8 people? How much should a living wage afford a person? A car, a house, renting a single room apt, vacation, high speed internet, 4k TV, IphoneX? And who decides how much, since cost of living shifts dramatically depending on city, state, county, ect.

Its a simple exercise.

 

Good post- and Absolutely Correct.
It's easy to address a single issue, call it a problem and throw out a solution. But when the problem is complex and you ignore all the facets but that one, you will invariably botch the job. It's always popular to give away money- particularly other people's money. That is what politicians do.
If you make $10 an hour and can buy 5 loaves of bread with that $10-
Then your wage doubles to $20, and the increase in costs cause the price of bread to double-
What have you gained? Zero.Fake gains, that actually make things worse.

Our standard of living directly relates to what we produce. If you make 10 widgits an hour, then gain skill to be able to make 15- the added productivity increases your value 50% without impacting any other aspects of the cost of business or price of goods to customers. That is real gain.

 

Ah....the "whataboutism" disease reared its ugly head. Nothing you said addressed the article or my post. But as long as you bring up the immigrants aspect of it, you can go and cry to the corporations that you advocated the tax cuts. They are the one hiring low skilled illegal workers and replacing engineers with Visa workers type. You know, the same Visa worker bees Trump hired for his resorts.

 

Your post missed the whole point of this thread. You are the "whataboutism" that is causing dems to lose elections beginning in 2010 and will continue until dems finally move toward the center.

The PEOPLE are sick and tired of this crap, admitting immigrants to work for less money and dems pushing for minimum wages, ALL TO GAIN VOTES IN UPCOMING ELECTIONS.

Steve

 

Again, what is a "living wage"?

Who defines it, and why on earth would anyone want some unknown, unseen bureaucracy to decide what that is?

If people don't want to pick up garbage for the wages being offered, then the wages will go up, or the company providing the service won't be able to keep any employees.

I can accept a minimum wage is a necessary evil, in order to keep unscrupulous people from exploiting employees. But that is it.

To the point though, "living wage" is nothing but propaganda. It's a farce.

 

It helps me because minimum wage laws actually help keep unskilled wages low. The market will adapt by forcing low skilled workers out of full-time jobs flipping burgers and into one off gigs like mowing my lawn for the princely sum of five bucks.

Can you imagine how cheap it will be to get somebody to walk my dog or wash my car if so many people are forced out of working at walmart and mcdonalds?

 

What is it? I dunno, for that is beyond my pay grade. ha ha. Common sense tells me it would depend upon the part of america one was in. In the South it would be lower, in the northeast and west coast higher.

I remember when people that did jobs like you see in walmart and McDs earned a living wage for those jobs. It was only when the low skilled low paid meme arose, which coincided with locally owned stores and fast food going under due to chain stores driving them out of business with their cheap, working poor labor model, that the problem was created. I guess locally owned stores, those owners who employed their own community, just did not have the heart to not pay enough for them employees to live on? And big corporations could not care less?

Of course locally owned businesses also worked teens in some of those positions and paid them less, but their adults? They paid them enough so these workers did not have to use welfare.

 

Businesses set wages at what will fit their budget and profit margin. If it doesn't fit your budget or lifestyle then you go find a better job. I do not remember these high paying jobs at McD's and Walmart. I doubt you do either.

 

McDs never paid enough to live on unless you were in management. Locally owned hamburger stands did for their full time adult employees. Same with locally owned hardware, auto parts, and clothing stores. My aunt retired from a locally owned women's clothing store and paid her house off working for that store, the same kind of work walmart employees do today. Of course she got a sales commission which pushed up her wages to living wages. Same with the hardware stores. Commission on sales seems to be an anachronism today in this service sector economy. Corporations who own these chains, depend upon taxpayers to subsidize their wages, for greater profits, whereas the locally owned stores did not.

 

You have inadvertently proven the meme "living wage" has no meaning, since you can't define what that is, regardless of region.

What I find interesting is the only jobs you seem to have on your mind is garbage collector, or a retail clerk of some kind. Further, your perception of what people used to be paid as clerks doesn't seem to be attached to any point of reality. When the minimum wage was raised to $1 per hour in the 50's it still wasn't enough to raise a two person family above the poverty level of the time.

http://www.politifact.com/rhode-isl...eed-says-minimum-wage-1950s-and-1960s-would-/

 

It would be interesting to see some facts used to support your opinion/recollection.

 

So obviously a national minimum wage is not the answer to mandating a "living wage" since that would be defined by location. A beautiful coastal community is going to be much more attractive to people with money than some place in the middle of death valley, but at 15 an hour, you're only going to be able to pay your bills in the desert.

Hey, how about if we use a sliding scale based upon cost of living expenses? So if you want to live in Beverly Hills, the minimum wage will be set at 200 an hour, because rents are so expensive there. On the other hand, if you want to live in Detroit, the minimum wage will be a buck an hour, seeing as how you can buy a house there for a few hundred bucks. There's also plenty of land on vacant lots to grow potatoes on, so you don't have to worry about grocery bills.

That way everybody can live wherever they want, and no matter where that is, they'll always have a job that pays a "living wage".

 

The world has changed. One advantage your aunt had was it didn't cost as much to live then. A nice home didn't mean a McMansion. You could have bought the two houses my family owned for the price of one large SUV and had money left for a pretty nice vacation trip. life was slower.

 

Yeah, it reminds me a lot of trump who showed how little he cared for the common man and how much he cared for his wealthy friends with the new tax program.

 

I know such memes are precious for the afflicted.

You might want to restrict them to those who would agree with them.

 

Why do you keep avoiding answering the question. Why do I as a customer, need to subsidize restaurants owners to pay for their employees?? This specific OP is about the restaurant industry whining and crying about paying their worker wages that other corporations and businesses already have to pay!

Governor Andrew Cuomo is considering boosting the minimum wage for tipped employees from $8.65 to $15 per hour, the same rate as the regular minimum wage starting next year.

 

All employee compensation is a subsidy from the customers. That's how business works.

 

The food service industry is very labor intensive, with extremely low margins.

That is the reason most people don't seek career employment there, as there are few positions that pay enough to make it so.

It's a shame liberals are so intent on limiting the number of people who can earn some money working in it.

 

inflation reduces debt, America has much debt

that is the beginning of us becoming a 3rd world country

 

Prices were lower because the population was much lower. It's nearly doubled since I've been around, yet the amount of land hasn't changed. The cost of government is the real killer, though. If you want all those social welfare services, roads, bridges, cops, etc. etc. etc. that costs moolah, and borrowing or printing it doesn't add anything of value to the dollar.

These are things that we decided to do, and that comes with a price that is paid one way or another. We chose to pay for it with inflation of the money supply, thus lowering the value of each dollar.

The McMansions are the result of very charitable interest rates. It's still borrowed money, but banks are allowed to do what they want because they know the government will bail them out no matter what they do.

All-in-all, it's what people want.

 

Nonsense. Employers have to pay a competitive wage to get good employees. Minimum wage is an artifice.

 

Pathetic right-wingers would rather live in their trailers in Appalachia and make $7.50 an hour,
while worshiping greedy billionaires. Because, you know, they might become billionaires themselves.
Sad. They'll be humping the American Dream until they keel over dead from an overdose of meth or oxy.
That's reality in America today.

 

Who does a $15 an hour minimum wage help?

Anyone currently making less than that on their job.

 

You don't understand lefties. They realize that whatever the government tries to do, the opposite happens. Tell the government to keep rents low, so they institute rent controls. Suddenly housing prices increase because it's stupid to rent a property if you can't just kick a tenant out as soon as the rent is overdue. Rents get higher as a result, thus increasing housing prices.

With the minimum wage law, what happens is that people who aren't worth 15 an hour are out of work, thus increasing the unskilled labor supply. Real salaries actually go down because there is an increased demand for the jobs that are out there and do pay more than 15. Say, if you're making 20 an hour now, suddenly your boss is going to be inundated with offers to do your job for 15.

Lefties love that kinda stuff.

 

I agree, we should of been doing it every time congress got a cost of living increase... from now on let's time the min wage to congress's cost of living increases - there is no excuse for min wage falling so far behind

what happened is the right told us corps would do the right thing and pay them more.... seems that was wrong - they need the min wage to make them do the right thing