Who Is Most Responsible for the SUCCESS of the Christian Religion?

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Who Is Most Responsible for the SUCCESS of the Christian Religion?

Poll closed May 7, 2021.
  1. Jesus

    6 vote(s)
    37.5%
  2. Paul

    2 vote(s)
    12.5%
  3. Constantine

    8 vote(s)
    50.0%
  1. FreshAir

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    is that why we stamp the God of money we trust on our money
     
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    :deadhorse::deadhorse:
    :applause::applause:
     
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    We all worship something. Whether we are atheists, agnostics, or believers in some religion, we are all worshipers.

    What do you turn your mind and heart to to gain meaning, fulfillment, control, protection, and significance in your life? What has your affection? What do you meditate upon? When you lay your head on your pillow at night, what do you think about? Who or what is your God?
     
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    family, friends, loved ones - no mythical creatures if that is what your asking
     
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    Unlike most other worldviews, Christianity is built on historical events. https://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-mythology.html

     
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    The Bible has archaeological evidence. https://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-mythology.html

     
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    There were only three choices in your pole...
    what about the writers of the gospels?
    And why do you assume it was a success?
    It hasn't accomplished what it's founder intended...
    instead it morphed into yet another money making scheme.
     
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    Hypocrites may show up at a church building every Sunday, but there are no hypocrites in the Church (Christ's body). Hypocrite comes from the Greek word for "actor," or pretender. Hypocrisy is "the practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold." The Church is made up of true believers; hypocrites are "pretenders" who sit among God's people.

    I don't blame anyone for rejecting "religion" based on this hypocrisy. There are more actors in the church than there are in Hollywood. Hypocrisy runs rampant in the modern church, but be careful before you judge it.

    You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things. Now we know that God’s judgment against those who do such things is based on truth. So when you, a mere human being, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God’s judgment? Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, forbearance and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness is intended to lead you to repentance? (Romans 2:1-4)
     
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    Okay...now read your statement below and apply that idea to yourself...
    Sounds to me like you are judging the ones sitting next to you in church...
    "do you think you will escape God’s judgment?"
     
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    God knows those who love Him, and the Bible warns that He will sort out the true converts from the false on the Day of Judgement.
     
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    Well that's your God...mine doesn't show any favoritism.
     
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    God doesn't show favoritism. Acts 10:34-35 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: but welcomes those from every nation who fear Him and do what is right.
     
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    I suppose there could/should have been a choice called other. The basis for the three choices I presented were provided in a subsequent post:

    The first time I ever looked at one of those 100 most influential people in history as ranked by noted historians I was surprised that Jesus and Paul were sharing the number two spot based on the polled historians believing that Paul was responsible for the spread of Christianity (discounting the supernatural). I now realize that Constantine turned Christianity from a sect to a dominating religion of the Roman empire.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantinian_shift


    By definition the primary definition of success is obtaining an aim or purpose but success is also defined as obtaining popularity or prosperity and the Christian church has achieved both.
     
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    The greed of the church is because of the sinful nature of human beings-it has nothing to do with who God is.
     
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    Of course I never used the word greed and prosperity to me is a good thing.
     
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    Prosperity is not bad but people sometimes make a god out of it.
     
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    Agree....as a business they have thrived. Some of the churches around my area are huge....and they keep adding on.
    I just don't see Jesus as being interested in large buildings and paying your money to the churches.
    At one point he said..."go and sell all your possessions and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”
    He did not say "give everything to the church."
     
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    And yet you say he does below...
     
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    The problem with Calvinism is that it teaches that God has no favorites. God has no favorites. God died for everyone.
     
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    The church's mistakes have nothing to do with having a relationship with God.
     
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    And yet you claim that he does have favorites below...
     
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    Then why are you not correcting the churches mistakes instead of letting them slide...
    If Jesus was around, he would go in and overturn all the bingo tables. But you do nothing.
     
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    God has covenantal promises with all of Israel that are not about salvation but God has no favoritism to the Jews.
     
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    I don't know what the church did but it has nothing to do with God dying for His creation.
     

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