Who was the better philosopher: Moses, Jesus, Paul, or Muhammad?

I'm leaning towards Paul. What do you think?

 

although paul is my favorite apostle and i love his story his philosophy comes from jesus so jesus is the best with paul second

 

Philosophy? Hummm...Moses was a servant of God and relayed God's law the the people of Israel...Jesus was the only begotten Son of the Living God YHWH and he conveyed the purposes of God as predicted in Prophecy...Paul was an Apostle of the LORD Jesus Christ and spoke the truth of the Gospel to the gentile nations...none of which involves philosophy which is speculation, but ultimate truth...Mohammad was a false prophet and the servant of Satan who has lead astray billions of people who adhere to the word of a false god. Deception is not a philosophy.

 

They all had the same philosophy, Monotheism.

Moses insisted, amongst all the polytheists of the ancient world, one God was superior to all the others, which God was in our words of today, Reality.
Moses held the philosophy that we could personify the Force behind the ever unfolding next frame of Reality which both traps mankind and nurtures him.

His philosophy asserted, as we believe today, that men must ultimately bow down to this unfolding Reality or suffer consequences.

Jesus recognized that the saving grace for us about Reality's nature is that men can image a model of Reality and learn to utilize its powers beneficially.
I think Moses knew this, and had set down in his own philosophical writings the foundation for supporting what Jesus focused our attention upon, that Reality unfolds frame by frame, leaving Truth is it wake.

Since one deduction follows naturally from the first, its is otherwise difficult to say, IMHO, which of these two would be the more important philosopher.
But from the stand point of practicality and benefits, Moses more than Jesus described the problem, that man was confronted by a Force that for man, was both good/nurturing and evil/harmful.

This raised the question of what to do about that.

Moses said Love this Force, do no try to over come or resist it.
But, love other men and work together as social animal do, as bees and ants do.
In unity there is strength and safety and life for our species into the eternal future.

That is still a great philosophy.
Our technological societies of today have developed a complex interdependent Golden Age that is marvelous.

But, Jesus had observed that in order to work together and avoid the failures of one Golden Age after another, man must actually worship Truth.
Man must get to know Reality by forming an image inside his head that corresponds to this Reality.
Truth is the off spring of the ever unfolding Reality that sires that Truth in its wake.

The grace of the unfolding Reality is that men can examine the past and come to understand the spirit of the network of Natural Law that have created and are creating and will create that future.
In the light of Truth, man can benefit and co-exist with this fierce Reality.

In a way, I tend to favor the solution proposed by Jesus as it convinces me of the blessings for us, while the insights of Moses effectively had only posed the problem of our existence.

I am saying that what Jesus observed would not have been possible without Moses, yet without Jesus, the philosophy of Moses would have left us all disarmed and subservient, i.e.; slaves to Reality.
Jesus set us free.

 

I am pretty sure he is talking about St. Paul (formerly Saul) who wrote all those letters who was NOT one of the 12....never met Jesus....except if you believe his individual revelation.

 

I think it is interesting to think of Christianty as philosophy as I accept it as ultimate truth. Isn't philosophy more like theory, than reality.

 

Any votes for Lao Tzu?

 

Jesus. He said a lot of things (allegedly) that I think people should really listen to such as love your enemies, do unto others as you would have them do unto you, and ask, seek, knock.

 

None of the above
Bruce!

Immanuel Kant was a real pissant
Who was very rarely stable,
Heidegger, Heidegger was a boozy begger
Who could think you under the table,
David Hume could out-consume,
Wilhelm Freidrich Hegel.
And Wittgenstein was a beery swine
Who was just as schloshed as Schlegel.
There's nothing Nietzche couldn't teach ya
'Bout the raising of the wrist.
Socrates himself was permanently pissed.
John Stuart Mill, of his own free will
On half a pint of shandy was particularly ill.
Plato, they say could stick it away,
Half a crate of whiskey everyday.
Aristotle, Aristotle was a bugger for the bottle,
Hobbes was fond of his dram,
And Rene' DesCartes was a drunken fart
"I drink, therefore I am."
Yes, Socrates himself is particularly missed,
A lovely little thinker but a bugger when he's pissed.

Bruce's Philosopher Song by Monty Python

 

I personally think that Paul was one of the worst things to happen to Christianity. Bad enough Christianity couldn't break free from the Old Testament, but then it had to get saddled down with Paul's sexist beliefs.

 

Neither they are both just stories. Made up card to rule people's thoughts and control the masses

 

Paul. Old Saul of Tarsus was a Jew after all. And Jews who go off the rails into other realms of beliefs generally make great philosophers.

 

Yes.
What is ultimate truth? How does one achieve it or know it?
Why do you think religion and philosophy are the same forum?

 

Many scholars find reason to think that Paul in all likelihood adhered to the philosophical "theory" of stoicism. For most of its first thousand years Christianity was mainly influenced by Platonism, then Aritotlelan thought entered it and a lot of modern theologians base their thoughts on Hegel.

 

The NT uses the title "Apostle" both for the 12 and in a broader sense: somebody who’s been called by Christ to spread His message. In Acts 14,4 and 14 Paul and Barnabas are called Apostles, Romans 16,7 mention Andronikus and Junia as Apostles, then there are Jakobus, Silvanus , Timotheus and probably loads more.
The revelation of the 12 Apostles who actually met the physical Jesus would have been just as individual as Pauls. Either you believed what they said about Jesus or you didn’t.

 

Well, it's not as if the others hadn't said similarly nice things: https://www.tanenbaum.org/sites/default/files/GEN - Golden Rule - English.pdf

 

Pretty much but those others were not listed on the OP. So I picked the one I preferred out of them all.

 

It's really hard to tell because they all lived under different circumstances.

 

Immanuel Kant

Drei Dinge helfen, die Mühseligkeiten des Lebens zu tragen: Die Hoffnung, der Schlaf und das Lachen. (Three things help to carry the burdens of life: hope, sleep and laughter.) Immanuel Kant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zi7isBXusFA

 

The ultimate truth is that Jesus died for you sins, was ressurected on the third day, and assended into heaven. For the individual, it is a simple act of faith recieving that promiseas your own.

Religion and philosophy are in the same forum because all philosophy and all religions except Christianity are nothing but mans attempt to over complicate the simplicity of the gospel. Perhaps it is too simple. Like Naaman the Syrian who went to Elisha for healing, he thought he would be commanded to do some great thing, perform some difficult task, but all he had to do was dunk himself in the Jordan, baptism if you will, to recieve healing from the Living God. For us, it is a simple expression of faith that gains us the free gift of salvation of God through the Blood of Christ.

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Balderdash

 

Jesus, the messiah, whom you've claimed did not fulfill all the prophesies? But many of them.

Hmm, what's that word?
Oh yea, Balderdash!!

A christisan calling a christians thoughts or words, Balderdash.
And how is one suppose to agree with you?

 

Balderdash, is it?

Many scholars find reason to think that Paul in all likelihood adhered to the philosophical "theory" of stoicism:

http://dspace.library.uvic.ca:8080/handle/1828/4538
http://books.google.de/books/about/Stoicism_in_Early_Christianity.html?id=lR2kxd17v44C&redir_esc=y
http://books.google.de/books?id=H2X...=onepage&q=stoicism paul christianity&f=false


For most of its first thousand years Christianity was mainly influenced by Platonism:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platonism#Christianity_and_Platonism


Then Aritotlelian thought entered it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristotle#Influence_on_Western_Christian_theologians


A lot of modern theologians base their thoughts on Hegel:

http://books.google.de/books?id=eqg...X&ei=1K_BUYiTMMjYtQbW84HgAw&ved=0CD0Q6AEwAzgK

To say that throughout its history Christianity always engaged with the biggest philosophical thinkers of its time is not an insult, it’s a compliment! That Christ can be grasped by the smallest child is a wonderful thing. But that you don’t even need to be aware of the intricate thought that’s been given to the tenants of your belief, doesn’t mean that Christian theologians didn't do philosophy when they formulated and pondered these tenants. Gosh, even atheist philosopher Bertrand Russell expressed admiration for St. Augustine’s theory of time: http://archive.org/stream/westernphilosoph035502mbp/westernphilosoph035502mbp_djvu.txt

 

Name a prophecy that Jesus did not fulfill.

When have I called a fellow Christians words, balderdash? You. A christian? Color me skeptical, there is no evidence that I have seen that would make me suspect that in any way.

 

All three were crap and they took the world backwards , if you are judging philosophies by their result .

Nerevarine prophecy
Dragonborn

 

Yes, it is balderdash. That is what so called "biblical scolars" say. But I have never heard a reliable Bible teacher us any of those references to apply to "Pauline" ministry. He was a Jew who was converted by a vision from Jesus and his knowledge was from Jewish scolarship, if there were similarities, it is conincidental. as Paul was a respected scholar in his day and was familiar with many philosophies. But to say that his knowledge of God and the basis of what and how he believed is, well, balderdash.