By "getting abortion right" you mean after 18 weeks a woman need permission from a special medical board to get her abortion. Otherwise she's forced to carry a child she doesn't want. "Getting abortion right" seems to mean that it's not a hot button political issue in your country, not the particular policy.
No, you don't. You are not handing out pills and condoms or lecturing about safe sex at schools and campuses. You are against that too more often than not.
Well unfortunately, the Supreme Court stole our ability to handle this in the normal political process, but since your country still regulates abortion and will still force women to carry babies against their will, the practical effects are the same. They are simply a bigger political issue in the US.
Correct, there IS no rational argument against abortion. Unfortunately we live in a world in which both sectors are driven by ideologies which place more importance on the irrational than on the rational. One side thinks Jesus is in charge, the other is all about Feelings. The truly rational - when it comes to management of fertility - are the Chinese. And along with their policy on breeding, goes a whole range of other rules which don't give a flying **** about Feelings. Is that what you want?
When a pregnant woman is killed by violence, it's classified as a double murder. Who is the second victim?
There is a rational case to made for abortion which is the one I am advocating. It is unfortuante that the proponents of abortion have chosen to focus on the non-essential aspeect of "choice". Although it true one has the right to choose, one can only make choices within the realms of rights. Had abortion been murder (which it is not), "pro-choice" would imply a woman has the right to choose murder. What is essential is the woman's right to life, liberty, property and the pursuit of happiness. What is essential is that that which exists takes precedence over the non-existent. There is a reason I call myself "pro-abortion" and not "pro-choice". I am not sure if the Chinese should be seen as a source of inspiration for anything, to be honest. What are their "policies on breeding"? One kid per houseghold? Do not shag the goat 'cos it might be your great-grandfather? I want a society that takes reason seriously and kicks mysticism and whim out the door. I do not want no backwards confucuanism philosophy.
FoxHastings said: ↑ Anti-Choicers want women forced to gestate and radical Islamists want them stoned to death ...BOTH are punishment. No, I don't and nothing I have posted indicates that...but you did a nice DODGE around what we were discussing What has that got to do with : Anti-Choicers want women forced to gestate and radical Islamists want them stoned to death ...BOTH are punishment.
FoxHastings said: ↑ They do believe women should be punished for being raped.... IS IT HER FAULT ?????? Abortion is not murder....so you are out of luck, women CAN'T be punished for having sex or having an abortion... sad thing for you I bet you do NOT answer my question is blue above....
FoxHastings said: ↑ Anti-Choicers want women forced to gestate and radical Islamists want them stoned to death ...BOTH are punishment. So you believe abortion should be legal???? NO, I am not trying to "change the narrative", I was responding to other posts......you seem to want to dodge the narrative
Depends on the state and it may not be called murder but other charges are added if the FETUS is over a certain age of development. And NO law makes a ZEF a human with rights...NON...
That sounds like all Anti-Choicers...Jesus and FEEEELINGS...they FEEEEEEEL that a ZEF is a BAAAAAAAAABY!!!! They FEEEEL abortion is murder....they FEEEEEEL and don't use facts or science...
Exactly my point. The Chinese are the ultimate pragmatists though - so their policy is not confucian, it's ruthless practicality. You claim to want policy on fertility etc to be entirely free of ideology - well that's what it looks like. My point is that you don't really want that - simply prefer a particular ideology. No different to those on the religious side of it, in fact. Two different ideologies, neither of which is predicated upon practicalities.
Sounds terrible. I am not at all a fan of pragmatism since it completely disregards reality and only looks at what "works" and what "feels right". What would be the chinese-pragmatist view on abortion? Abstinence? Or maybe putting on a nice dress because it would make the unwillingly pregnant woman feel better? I do not want it to be free of ideology. I want it to be based in objective reality, on reason and on respect for individual rights.
