You know, I turn on the TV and they are talking about this and that and they never ever want to address the REAL issues...who would win in a fight, Superman or Batman? My opinion: Superman eats Batman 1. Reaction-time Superman's reaction times are beyond human or machine. It's not only physical reactions, but mental ones as well. To put this in perspective, by the time the electronic impulse moved from Batman's brain, to his muscles, and back to his brain, Superman would have his head sailing somewhere near Mars. Yes, Superman is that fast. It's terrifying. 2. Superman isn't stupid This is another example of Superman having to be powered down. Superman isn't stupid. He's not only a genius, but he has superhuman mental faculties. Perfect photographic and audiographic memory. Perfect vision and perception. Perfect reaction and response. While a humans brain atrophies when certain parts aren't used, Supermans just grows and does not decay with age. But even so, Superman doesn't necessarily have to be smarter than batman in order to escape his traps. He's fought geniuses before. Lex Luther...Braniac...defeated. And Braniac is a genius and physically formidable. 3. Deus ex Machina The new Batsuit...and kryptonite...are classic, obvious examples of butt-pulls where the authors attempt to create mitigating circumstances to make a plot viable. First, Batman's armor. Let's put this into perspective. lt's say Batman's armor is made of adamantium and that this remained physically impervious. It doesn't matter. Batman, himself, is not. You put an egg in an adamantium shell and throw it against the wall, the adamantium shell is flawless, but there egg inside is cracked. For all intents and purposes, we are looking at this all wrong. It's not Batman that is armored, it's Superman. Relatively speaking, it's Superman that's the adamantium and Batman that's the medieval armor-wearing fool. Not only this, but we are supposed to believe that this suit can generate enough force to send Batman reeling? Excuse me, aside from the fact that he couldn't even see Superman move, let alone land a punch against his terrifying speed, NO. Now...the Deus ex kryptonite. This one is just hard-coded into the story and it is the most viable...albeit pathetic weakness. When exposed to this rock, Superman becomes exponentially weaker and vulnerable. To the point where a Batman can 1 v 1 him...or even a little girl. It doesn't matter. No if this were viable, Superman should have been dead by now because this is a serious effortless weakness to exploit- assuming you are capable of getting a hold of kryptonite in the first place. The only problem I have with this is that technically, Superman should be able to sense kryptonite from a distance if it's that poisonous to him. Two, in the act of removing it from concealment in order to "trap" Superman, Superman's ridiculous reaction times would, again, send your head sailing for the red planet. Trying to open this kryptonite from a safe and concealed distance obviously defeats the purpose of having krpytonite in the first place as it has to be near Superman in order to take effect. But...it's not only this. Again, Superman is not stupid. Yeah, he's always fist-bashing but that's because he never really has to be smart. And it doesn't take much of a genius for Superman to figure out that the only credible way Superman is going to defeat him is by using kryptonite- which he will prepare for in the simplist way possible... 4. Superman has lasers. Ask any military scientist. This is an extreme advantage. Superman can duel Batman from a distance. Not only lasers, which is near instantaneous in application, but he can throw things at Batman and as said before, even with the strongest armor possible, Batman, himself, cannot sustain the impact. Now, in line with deus ex machina, Batmans suit will be magically omnipotent in that it provides both outrageous defenses, flexibility, speed, AND it will be heat resistant and probably allow him to breath underwater and fly to the moon. If it is not, then hey...Superman can knock him into the sea or simply stand back and either cook him with laser-vision or humor himself and build a camp fire around the man while he's trying to shoot Superman down with...tin foil, practically. But...we do know that Superman does have weaknesses. At the moment, I can only think of three... 1. Emotions/Ideals Superman is motivated by his ideals and moved by his emotions. This might be his biggest crutch. In a sense, it's not that Batman can win against Superman, but he might be able to force him into a corner and get him to move certain ways because even though he is near-invincible, the people and things he cares for are not. 2. Magic Superman is physcially outstanding. And because of this, it leaves little to no avenue for an ordinary man to defeat Superman. However, magic has no logic. Magic poops on the laws of nature. For instance, changing superman to a kitten and then stomping on him would be viable. Now the reason I bring this up is beause I think Wonder Woman is going to be in the movie, and if she is, wallah. Superman can definitely be brought to heel. Because Wonder Woman is part-magic based hero. I didn't even think about this as at first I saw her as a laughable addition, but, in fact, she does have the means to bring about Supermans defeat. No matter how strong superman is, magic is a law unto itself. If the magic of a lasso dictates that it can confine a being it wraps itself around, no matter how strong that being is, unless they are somehow able to undermine or nullify the magic itself, the magical law imposes itself over the physical law and superman would be as helpless against it as Batman would be in a Superman bear-hug. Now, I'm no fan of WW so I don't know exactly what else she has in her kit, but she also has connections to Gods, so...yeah...depending on how wacky one wants to stretch these comic book characters, Wonder Woman is defiitely the game-changer here... BUT... Even considering this, Superman is still a terrifying foe who has had experience fighting people of comparable strength and intelligence- even if not exactly on par with his own. We are seeing this as a David-and -Goliath matchup where the human fights a God and wins, but we fail to remember that Superman, himself, is a veteran of such match-ups. It's not like he's just some privileged frat-boy who'se never tasted hardship and has never had to resort to resourcefulness and intelligence. It's just that his power is so extreme, he's never had to very often. And that leads to the last weakness... 3. Pride Now, we might not think of Superman as a proud being, but I wouldn't doubt that beneath the snow-white idealism of Superman lies a simmering prude waxing on his own moral virtues and riding his high horse to the moon. The thing here is that Superman knows he's powerful. Knows that even with considerable gadgets and tricks, it's still a longshot for the likes of Batman and Wonder Woman to really defeat him. The problem is that this actually lowers his potential since he begins to underestimate his opponents and places himself, recklessly, into situations he could have easily avoided. If we really want to get deep here, we know that Superman's idealism about saving humanity is ignorance de la creme. There's just too many evident contradictions in human nature to support such astoundingly thick-headed fluff. The only reason he continues on this path is personal ego, emotion, or pride. And this means that he, himself, is not a logical being completely and that he is prone to the same failures of emotion and thought that other people are. Likewise, his mind can be affected by differing ideologies or having these things corrupted. All these things provide avenues to the defeat of Superman, but not the kind of defeat that you bring about in a fist fight. Overall...Superman is the clear winner against Batman or Batman plus Wonder Women 9.9 out of 10. I don't know if it's apparent, but this movie obviously will not end on a Batman vs Superman not because neither is likely going to kill the other and neither is willing to compromise each others franchise with a solid defeat. It will be some sort of win-win where they likely begin as antagonists, but team up to fight some other baddy, obviously, and we'll be left cheering for both even though, realistically, Superman is probably capable of doing it on his own anyway. So...that's my reasoning.
The only way Batman survives against Superman is that Superman doesn't want to kill him. Else, Clark launches Bruce to Pluto. I like Batman, but.... God > Dr Manhattan > Superman > Everyone else.
Love Batman but there's no way Batman can kill or beat Superman............... Superman can lift & throw trains (without gadgets), he can fly, (without gadgets) he can burn holes through steel (without gadgets) etc. etc. etc. Haven't seen the movie yet but I plan on seeing it, and when I first heard about this premise I was blown away that the producers thought this would be a good idea. We'll see...........................
Superman can reset local time by reversing the rotation of the Earth through atmospheric friction. And, he does it in such a way that there's no damage to anything on the surface. Twice. That was either before or after he flew into the San Andreas fault to stop an earthquake - don't remember.
I actually had some kids debating this in class last week. I ended up explaining the ideas of Plot-Induced Stupidity and Character-Induced Stupidity. Comics, being a visual medium, have to do things in such a way that the artist can draw meaningful and aesthetically pleasing - we hope - versions of the plot. So in reality the Flash fighting anyone - the fight would end in one panel. Maybe even less. So in order to fill the other twenty pages, the writers have to come up with some way that Flash can be slowed down OR somehow have the Flash forget thew range of his powers. Same for Superman vs. Batman. Batman is ten feet away from Superman. He then reaches into his utility belt and starts to take out some Kryptonite. Superman can 1 ) Run at the speed of light fifty feet away, use heat vision on Batman. Game over. 2 ) Run at the speed of light fifty feet away,. use super breath on Batman, send him flying to Central City with every bone in his body smashed to paste. Game over. 3 ) Fly at the speed of light fifty feet up, use heat vision. Game over. 4 ) Run at the speed of light fifty feet away, THEN run circles around Batman at the speed of light. Create a cyclone, send Batman flying into Central City with every bone in his body smashed into paste. 5 ) Fly fifty feet in the air. Use heat vision. 6 ) Fly at the speed of light, then break the time barrier. Ensure that Batman's parents are never killed, or never born. 7 ) Run fifty feet back, use heat vision on Batman's mask, lobotomize Batman. 8 ) Immediately tunnel fifty feet below the earth, pick up ground Batman is standing on, fly it into outer space, throw rock into the sun. 9 ) Run fifty feet back at the speed of light, use super-breath on Batman, blow Kryptonite out of his hand. Then grab Batman, fly into outer space, throw him into the sun. 10) Run fifty feet back at the speed of light, use heat vision on Batman's hand, Kryptonite falls out of his hand. Then grab Batman, fly into outer space, throw him into the sun. 11) Clap at super-speed immediately. Shock-wave sends Batman flying to Central City with every bone in his body smashed to paste. 12) Immediately use a super-shout at Batman, liquifying every bone in his body by the sonic wave hitting him. 13) Superman frames Batman for Witchcraft, has the law put him in stocks then executed. 14) Superman injures Batman, then has a friend kill him off for him. 15) Superman marries Batman off to a gorilla just like he did to his friend Jimmy Olsen. I could go on forever. To be fair, there's a few others who could take out Superman. The Spectre, the Silver Surfer, Galactus, probably Goku, possibly Dr. Strange at his peak.
In a fight, I agree, Superman wins every time, but if Batman want's to sneak attack Superman, he does have that file on every Justice League member and how to defeat them, so he could take him out before Superman knows he's being targeted.
I can only say that it's possible in some way, but extremely unlikely if we are talking Batman vs Superman, alone. To Superman, we all move and think like bugs in a syrup jar- extremely slow and his own mental calculations would be hyper fast. In a sense, he's able to scan his environment expontially faster and repeatedly than perhaps even some super-computers can achieve. Because of this, what would seem like the perfect opportunity to catch superman in a swift, surprise attack actually- for him- might be the equivalent of watching the very same trap unfold over the period of a week. Yeah, they made him that powerful and that's the problem. Superman is just waaay too powerful.
Are they? Batman was always a darker and more ambiguous character than Superman, and is very much more so in recent years becoming the "Dark Knight" indeed. Superman is from another planet, he may not become like those he fights because he can't, he isn't human. In both physical powers and moral development he is above us all, his motivation to be a superhero is purely altruistic Batman is the ultimate human, he has no superpowers but uses training and technology to enhance himself to the greatest degree possible. But like all humans he is ambiguous, he fights evil because he hates it and he hates it from a feeling of vengeance. The good he does comes from the primordial depths of the human soul and he has little compunction about using illegal methods to catch criminals. Were he not wealthy it is very possible he would be a criminal himself, though he would rob only from the rich and unscrupulous as he remains always a basically decent individual. A conflict between the tow is inherently very interesting. Humanity's effort and ingenuity vs the infinite might of Universe itself basically I hope the movie will explore these two differences. All other superheroes have a 'schtick', a special ability or gift which shapes their lives and is a major part of their interest and appeal. Only these two are all round heroes and thus must derive their appeal to us basically from their characters alone
