Why Democrats children turn out to be poorer than republicans kids

It proves that making money does not make you evil. Democrats need to quit claiming money makes you evil.

Also are you as wealthy as those men are? Have you been responsible for employing millions of humans? They perhaps do vote for Democrats. But I see no proof they do.

 

Mr. Trump promised Mexico would pay for it. You'll have to ask him. The relevant point is that never happened. And he failed to build the wall he promised.

When did Mr. Trump promise Mexican troops on our border? I must have missed that one.

Then I ask you for the second time: Do you dispute he promised to repeal it? And what do you call a promise you have neither the intention nor the capacity to keep? Where I come from we call it a "lie."

I do not recall President McFingers making such a promise during his campaign. Did I miss it?

 

I feel bad you believe you are a victim to some fringe group you label Qanon.

McCarthy nor McConnel speak well of Qanon nor any fringe group.
Trump spoke more like a free man speaks. He simply did not want to make blanket negative statements about his fellow Americans.
And he denounced Nazis or those supremacists. And the Media pretended he had not.

Do you approve of how Democrats have a blood lust to take your money from you?

 

I think why many people cared about the Mexico paying for the wall was because he promised it at every rally and event. To be honest this was not even on my list of policies for supporting Trump. I always said if we can get a free wall that is great but NOT if American taxpayers are paying for it. The only relevant part of this campaign promise for me was it the opportunity it gave Trump to demonstrate his negotiation and deal making skills that he bragged about. I assumed he was going to put pressure on Mexico by threatening to kick them out of NAFTA or tax American companies doing business in Mexico to pull out. I thought he could put enough economic pressure to force Mexico to comply. He didn't even seem to try. What we heard was the phone call, begging the Mexican president to not say he would not pay for the wall publicly. Is that the "Art of the Deal"?

 

Do us both a favor to make this productive.
When you make claims, will you supply direct quotes?

Even you admit Trump built 450 miles of the wall. It was not to protect Mexico, it is to protect America.
Trump said millions of things.
All men at times say things. You say things. i do not waste time trying to call you a liar. But you waste time calling Trump one over things he has no control over and never did have control over Mexico.
One thing I noticed when Trump talks. He leaves doors out of his claims. Such as taxes. He put the door out as blaming it on the IRS and their audits.

Will you blame Biden for anything? Time will tell.

 

BBUUUTTT I thought YOU SAID he was having all of his success because he was republican????? Now all of a sudden, you HOPE ???????

 

Politicians live on promises. But Democrats never point to their own Democrats failures to keep them. Strange only Trump is held to a different standard.

The wall is great for a few reasons. Among the reasons is the same reason why prisons have walls. Why the Communists built a wall around Berlin when I was there. It clamps down severely on the ability to cross totally undetected. Walls hold instruments. Walls are patrolled. Walls beat open land all the time.

You made claims that are new to me. It is hard for me to comment on unknown claims made by posters.

What was the deal Hillary promised?

 

Being a Republican does not mean you will get rich. When you try to claim I said a thing, supply my direct quote along with the link.

 

Boiled down you are pissed off Mexico did not pay for the wall.

Cool beans. Are you equally pissed at them for supplying tens of thousands of troops they paid for to secure our border?

 

Demographically abortions are a winner with regards to political power for conservatives..... it is much more likely to take out the children of Democrat voters than Republican voters. If you are conservative and Christian, don't have abortions. Let your political opponents have them and suffer the consequences here and in the hereafter. So I am kind of with you on this one Fox, make abortions free, legal and mandatory for all pregnant people on welfare.

 

I'm almost 80, so I am on social security and medicare. Of course, I'm also paying for medicare; premiums deducted from my SS check.I have supplemental insurance that covers what medicare does not, which makes my monthly health insurance bill pretty high.

And since I'm also still producing substantial income- I'm still paying into social security, and at my income level, there are income taxes applied to part of the social I receive as well.

Part of our health care issues come from the gross levels of complexity that government has built in or allowed in the system. For example, you can order a prescription drug from an off-shore pharmacy, and at a minimum save 50%, often 75%. If you needed a hip replacement here and had typical insurance, you would have a 20% deductible to pay. As a hip replacement usually winds up being close to 50K, leaving a 10K share for the insured. There is a thing known as "Medical Tourism", where people go to other countries for medical procedures- and there are companies that package up deals for that. If you wanted to go to Spain, which has very high quality care- the trip, including round-trip airfare, hotel, hospital, surgery and all needed supplies will run about $12K; just a bit more that your US deductible. No insurance needed for that. The replacement itself runs about $7300. While the options and costs vary a lot, the fact is that the US has out-of-line healthcare costs... and a large portion of that can be traced to government policies, for instance making the practice of suing doctors, hospitals and such into a gold mine for tort lawyers. Example- required malpractice insurance, for a baby doctor (OB/Gyn) will be around $150-200,000 in the US.
If the doc delivers 100 babies a year, the part of his fee that covers just his insurance is $1500-$2000. Total cost to deliver a baby in Spain would be fully covered by that.

This is the way in which incompetent government ignores the impacts of citizens in the rush to control things. It's like a sickness that distorts their perceptions and values, and they lose sight of their primary purpose. I don't think we necessarily elect corrupt politicians; I think the entrenched lack of discipline and honor in the various branches of government corrupts those we elect- because it is the norm, the way the game is played. If they don't play along, they get shut out.

 

I am not sure what unknown claims I made. I only claims I made was he constantly said Mexico would pay for the wall at rallies and events and that their was a phone call with the Mexican president. I guess it is possible you never heard the phone call with the Mexican president but the promises were everywhere.

I hate to say this but you were the one to brought Trump's standard of keeping campaign promises into this discussion. I have no interest in Hillary's campaign promises because I never had any intention of voting for her I am a happy she was never in a position to try to keep them.

 

No I am not pissed that Mexico did not pay for the wall because as I said it was not a promise that was on my list of want. I was a nice to have promise. I am also happy that Mexico added troops to secure the border but now you are changing the discussion from promises to accomplishments. Those two things are not the same.

 

what post of mine are you referring??

I am NOT or have ever been a victim of either party..

to be more blunt..

only losers blame a president or a political party for loss or success

I have paid more than my share of taxes..I paid my first income tax when I was 13 years old

my uncle, the most honest and conservative person I have ever known, was my employer and refused to pay me under the table

I started paying into SS at 13 and doubt I will live long enough to get a return on my investment

I am not different than anyone else, I dont enjoy paying taxes

BUT

I have traveled to many countries that do not enforce any type of income taxes

these are the shithole countries

I find it sad you are a victim of the democrats

 

I will say this.

I have met many poor people. I never met one who said take my money away from me.
Generally the poor are only poor due to them not knowing how to get a large income.
I was raised by people telling me growing up the rich were awful people. They only made money to hurt me.
I later learned that is just a lie.

What you are doing is following a plan. For you it is a very good plan. I see you achieving your aims.

Democrats live a life of blaming others. I do not see you blaming the military for you not being a wildlife expert. No, you took the bull by his horns and you are going to succeed. some in your chosen field made a lot of money. If you want little, that is what you will end up getting.

I like as one of my examples the true story of a man named Frank Howe. I met him by building his firm a machine I designed.
I contracted not with Frank, but with is factory superintendent. His name I forgot.

I built the machine for his firm and on a Saturday was at his factory installing the machine.
This old man casually dressed comes and talks to me as I was working.
He asks me what I charged for the machine. I told him the cost. He then surprised me.
He says, I think you undercharged for the machine.
He was correct.
He says, once you finish the task, and are back at your office, figure out the correct price and charge that. He said he owns the company and will direct is accounting department to pay me.
I doubled the charges. He paid as promised.

Later he calls me on a Sunday at my home. He had to go to San Francisco to check on something his firm made for a non profit operation that polished gems.
I had made parts of that machine.

Turns out he had a problem with vibrations. I removed the parts I made and took them to my company to solve the problem.

Frank reminds me of the other machine I built. He said I had not charged him enough. But the deal was done. He asked me to come to his home and he would explain my problems.

He introduced me to the concept of assessing value to customers. I had charged based on my schedule of charges per hour.
And added in materials with a small sum for profit.

He explained why that was wrong.

He could have paid me easily 100 times what I charged him. He said my machine saved him a huge sum in one week. 7 times more than he paid. So I did the work cheap. And he taught me that.

 

It is called me and you having a conversation over issues that trouble you and not me.

 

As a PERCENTAGE OF THEIR ANNUAL INCOME most poor people pay far more than our very wealthiest citizens at every single level of either taxation or spending, whether it be Federal State Sales Tax or fishing license.

 

You're asking me to source my claims? I'd be happy to. I wrongly assumed you were aware of Mr. Trump's campaign platform when you said "Trump for instance was excellent at keeping promises..."

I'm not admitting anything. I am stating a fact: Under the Trump administration, a new wall was installed covering 23.12% of the US-Mexico border. Mr. Trump told us he was going to get this done... that he was very good at building things... and that he was going to make Mexico pay for it "100%."

Source:

Who said it was to protect Mexico?

Are you making a point with this or?

Call me old fashioned, but when people say things, we generally agree that those said things should be true statements. Do you disagree with this seminal concept of Western culture?

Are you making a point with this or?

That's good because since I am not the topic of this thread, doing so would constitute a logical fallacy. Not to mention a violation of forum rules.

Well, this is a discussion forum where we come together to share our opinions. You do so voluntarily. Nobody is forcing you to read my posts, so I'm not sure what your complaint is here. What I am doing is stating a fact: The man made a promise that not only did he not keep, but as you acknowledge here did not even have the capacity to keep. This is known as a falsehood. AKA, a "lie." Trump lied when he promised the voters that he was going to build a wall and make Mexico pay for it. Fact.

Door? Is this a figure of speech? I am not familiar with this phrase. Please explain.

Biden is not the topic of this sub-thread that you started.

 

what transition team on afghanastan? or anything else? there was no transition fro9m the guy who still thinks he won to the actual president.

 

I don't plan to read back all comments trying to locate why you asked me what post of yours?

Taxes do not bother me. Let me explain.
I buy my own food at the supermarket and also use a program to deliver prepared meals to me that I pay for.
Each purchase of food includes sales taxes. SALES TAXES SHOULD BE WHAT WE ALL PAY.
Those taxes are what I do not mind paying.
Income taxes get screwed with by the politicians.
Seldom do I see it happen to sales taxes.
Deductions at the store do not exist. Exemptions either.
If the rich buy a jar of peanut butter we both pay the same price.
Government needs to be paid for like peanut butter.
Each using it pays the same price.

The rich get crapped all over.

When I paid for the new Cadillac, not only did I pay license fees, I paid sales taxes of around $5,000.
To pay those taxes, I had to earn more money that I also paid income taxes on.
This is a huge part of the problem.
100s of taxes of varying amounts.

Something is wrong. Democrats are why this is going on.

 

I don’t agree with democrats any more than I do republicans. I have no problem with rich people, unless of course they are purposely exploiting people, or doing great harm to the environment.

It sounds like you greatly enjoy what it is you do, and draw great satisfaction from it, so that is awesome.

 

Actually you made some good points.

Such as you have managed to take this totally off the topic.
Thanks for your claims.

 

Uhm? I took this off-topic? Really? Please explain. Thank you.

 

buy a passport...travel to countries that only have sales taxes

then get back to me

 

Are you going to address the facts I presented in my argument or are you just going to continue the deflectional pivot you have demonstrated for the entirety of this discussion? If the former, I am happy to engage in a fact-based discussion. If the latter, we can call it a day.