Why did nobody tell Trump that it would be a bad idea to get Ukraine to investigate Biden?

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  1. stone6

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    "Silly process crimes" are part of the rule of law. You just exposed yourself.
     
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    Biden should have been no where near it, because of the clear image that it looked corrupt. And yet there he was, firing the prosecutor who was investigating his sons employer for criminal activity.

    There's irony, Biden engaging in a corrupt act, claiming it was done to stop corruption.
     
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    Do you even know what you are talking about? Process crimes can turn a simple case of a faulty memory, into a federal crime, where a person first loses everything in a bankruptcy, and is then tossed in prison for a year.

    This is why you never go into court without a good lawyer, you can be innocent of any crimes at all, thinking you were being truthful and honest, and end up being cited with lying, and committing false statements. all because the prosecutor needs some scalps to prove his worth, or to use your pain as leverage to get other people like you to lie in court.
     
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    Yes...but part of the reason the West was in favor of firing the prosecutor (including the U.S. position, Biden was representing) was because the prosecutor was NOT investigating Burisma. So...Biden, by calling for the prosector's firing, was supporting MORE investigation of the company, not less. Dp you have any evidence to the contrary? The battle inside the Ukraine is largely between Ukrainians who favor Ukrainian independence and favor closer ties with the West and pro-Russian Ukrainians, who favor closer ties with Russia. The prosecutor was in the latter category. Why is the Trump/Giuliani team defending the fired pro-Russian prosecutor? How many Republicans are going to support a Pro-Putin GOP platform in 2020?
     
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    Those are a whole lot of words to type and still be wrong. Why did the international community support Biden’s actions if his intent was to protect him and his son?
     
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    Yeah...I know what I am talking about. And, my post stands. Opposing "process crimes" is opposing the rule of law, which I suspect is your intention.
     
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    I oppose process crimes they often only harm innocent people, just so a prosecutor can use their pain as leverage to coerce other witnesses, or simply because they need to show a few scalps to justify the cost of the trial.

    Oh well, you "suspect," well i guess in the era of Schiff, speculation is fact. Suspect all you like, you have no clue as to my views, or opinions, obviously.
     
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    Define what process crimes you oppose. Perjury?
     
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    That was before the castration....
     
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    Hunter Biden who had NO experience in oil and gas, NO experience on a board and corporate governance, NO experience in Ukraine and getting paid multiple times what a QUALIFIED board member would receive.

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    Hunter Biden’s work at Ukrainian energy firm Burisma Holdings included a little-noted conflict of interest that wouldn’t pass muster in the United States, an American investor watchdog group says: He served for pay on the company’s putatively independent governing board despite having also been paid as a consultant to company management.

    The group’s study of Burisma also found that the pay of former Vice President Joe Biden’s son was more than 12 times comparable board pay at similarly sized companies.

    The conclusions are from Watchdog Research, a firm that describes its work as “CarFax reports for businesses.” It scrutinizes publicly available records to warn investors of potential trouble at companies.

    https://www.realclearinvestigations..._troubling_conflict_watchdog_says_121260.html

    Try again

    Hunter Biden working for Burisma and being paid millions has been debunked? We STILL need a full investigation including his dealings in China where he received $1.5B after introducing his Chinese oligarchs to his father the VP in a special arraignment.
     
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    But now we have a window of opportunity. Let the investigations begin.
     
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    The Democrats certainly didn't with Clinton, just sayin'.
     
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    True...what's your point?
     
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    Exactlly we don't what Barr and Durham are investigating and it could well have been that they were already investigating and Trump knew it was just asking for that cooperation that he has every right to request.
     
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    If they choose to try and go down that road they don't have a leg to stand on.
     
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    I have no problem with investigating Biden, his son, and their "business relationships." I'd also include Ivanka and Jared. I understand the President's daughter received numerous business licenses from the Chinese government to market her products in China, as well as Jared receiving loans from Mid-eastern countries. Let's investigate ALL of them. Agreed?
     
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    What road?
     
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    So now it is a bad idea to investigate corruption. Only a democrat can say that with a straight face.
     
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    Not at all. What is the "probable cause?"
     
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    You'll need a bigger boat. Biden was carrying out U.S. policy for the President and consistent with a U.S., EU, Work Bank, IMF, consensus that the corrupt and pro-Russian prosecutor be removed.
    Tell me how you think the GOP is going to run on a "Pro-Putin Platform" in 2020?
    By the way, how's Netanyahu doing?
     
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    Okay, by that logic the impeachment hearing should be dropped immediately. Since it's okay for Biden to "Quid Pro quo" it should be for Trump.
    Oh Im not surprised you glazed right over the evidence. The real reason Biden wanted him gone was because he was looking into Hunter Biden's role in Ukraine, and the investigation would have uncovered the fraud being committed by both Biden and his son. It was purely political. In fact, Joe Biden did this to hide corruption, not uncover it.

    Netanyahu is doing just fine - the charges are baseless. top Likud members know that the only way they will be able to topple Netanyahu, will be to unite behind one candidate, but they are showing no sign of being able to do so.

    Please clarify "pro putin platform"
     
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    He's on tape, in his very own words. The context is all there...*facepalms...
     
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    That particular Shokin claim came up much later, in a deposition given to an Austrian Court, in support of his friend Dmitry Firtash's fight against extradition to the United States on criminal charges. It was that deposition that Rudy referenced regarding Biden's son's involvement in the energy company. IOW, of doubtful veracity. You (and Rudy) are taking a pro-Putin stance regarding both Biden and the 2016 election. Why? Why are YOU ignoring contrary evidence? Tell me, in Israel, there is a growing political party composed largely of transplanted Russian Jews. Who are they supporting in the recent elections?
     
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    Still not understanding this pro russian stance... please explain

    We have sworn affidavits confirming that Shokin was fired for looking into Hunters role. This happened well before the story broke, so we know it's legit.

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    If you cant explain this pro russian connection you might be brainwashed. In that case:

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