Why did you think the Republicans lost the House?

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  1. Draco

    Draco Well-Known Member

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    I said from the beginning that 35 seats was the litmus test.

    If Dems got more, they would have a good night, less, not so good.

    26 seats is absolutely abysmal considering all the hooplah started up by the media who was predicting 40+ in many cases.

    +26 House and -4 Senate, with only 6 Governors

    All this with a media claiming Trump is the most hated President? This was obviously a repudiation of that fact, this was a simple election with some shifting happening.

    Really wasn't anything astounding and even the media said that before the elections. Now of course they are changing their tune.
     
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    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Trump. The very unpopular POTUS said he was on the ballot everywhere.
     
  3. TOG 6

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    26 seats is a stunning defeat for Trump!!
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  4. Lil Mike

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    Your question seems a bit...incoherent. I recognize the talking points, but I'm not sure what you are actually asking. So I'll try to describe quickly my thoughts on the tax bill and then you can react hysterically and perhaps narrow down your area of concern:

    On balance, the tax bill was a good thing.

    If memory serves, there are budget rules that prevented the individual tax rates from going beyond the 10 year window (like Bush's and Obama's tax bills).

    Corporate tax rates needed to be lowered to compete with other OECD countries.

    If by "trickle down" you mean that lower tax rates improve economic performance, than yes it is. If you mean something else, explain.
     
  5. T_K_Richards

    T_K_Richards Well-Known Member

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    You guys can't even get your numbers right. At this moment Republicans have lost 30 seats in the house. They are probably going to lose another 5. Just give it a few more days.
     
  6. Lil Mike

    Lil Mike Well-Known Member

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    This uninformed hysteria is enlightening.

    The "religious right" has been declining in numbers and influence for decades. Their high point was probably in the Reagan era. The people who gave Trump the margin of victory were anything but.

    How many "white nationalists" do you think there are in this country? You sound as if they're tens of millions, but I doubt there are more than 200,000...in the entire country of 321 million.

    It's like being concerned about the confederate threat or the Nazi threat...oh yeah...
     
  7. TOG 6

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    How many did Clinton and Obama lose?
     
  8. T_K_Richards

    T_K_Richards Well-Known Member

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    That's irrelevant. You should try harder to get your facts straight. Republicans lost the house. This was a solid win for the DNC.
     
  9. TOG 6

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    In terms of determining the extent of the Dem "win" in 2018, the fact Trump lost half the seats Obama lost is irrelevant?
    How do you characterize the 2010 election victory by the GOP?
    What does the GOP increase in the senate say about the Dems "solid" win?
     
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  10. T_K_Richards

    T_K_Richards Well-Known Member

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    They are, for all extents and purposes, equivalent. The GOP took the house in 2010 and in 2018 the DNC took the house. The practical outcome is the same.

    The GOP held the senate, but the election map will be much less favorable for them in 2020. Democratic candidates for senate won about 60% of the 35 races this year. There are going to be at least 33 senate races in 2020, If D candidates win at the same rate they will pick up a minimum of 7 seats and take the senate. This thread is about the house though, so like I said it's irrelevant.
     
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    Ah. Losing twice as many seats is equivalent to losing half as many seats. Got it.
    The GOP also took the Senate, completely reversing control of congress.
    The GOP increased its hold on the senate
    What does the GOP increase in the senate say about the Dems "solid" win?
    The Dems won 60% of the races....in an election where 66% of the seats up for elections were held by Dems.
    Dems held 84.6% of their seats in 2018
    GOP held 87.5% of their seats in 2018
    If this holds in 2020, as per your premise, the current 22/11 GOP majority in the seats up for election will go 28/5, or +6 GOP.
     
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    Losing invigorates the the base of a party. The Dems have been losing bad so this should come as no surprise. It was a victory no doubt but is should have been a route and I have to wonder why the Dem's did not do better with how unpopular the President is.
     
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    How is it a "solid win" compared to the setup last week? Explain such.
     
  14. MMC

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    The Demos needed 40 Repubs to retire to pull it off. That is certain now.
     
  15. T_K_Richards

    T_K_Richards Well-Known Member

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    You got your facts wrong again. In 2010 the DNC held the senate.

    That's your way of looking at it. I like mine better. Let's chat in 2020.
     
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