Why do atheists strawman all Christians as fundamentalist?

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  1. thebrucebeat

    thebrucebeat Banned

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    What are you referring to?
    And can you see that the basketball analogy is simply silly?
    Why the edginess from you? I'm just conversing with you.
     
  2. thebrucebeat

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    By the way, I never said it was a personal affront, merely personal. It was about me, which wasn't relevant. I was commenting on the OP, not giving my personal position.
    What unwarranted accusation did I make?
    Didn't you cherry pick the most loving tenants of the faith, the parts with the most sacrificial forbearance, and ask what atheists had against those? That's not an honest argument, is it?
    By the way, I'm not an atheist, in case you needed to know, though I don't think it is relevant to the argument.
     
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    SpaceCricket79 New Member Past Donor

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    As a rule I'd say religious people in general, regardless of religion, are morally superior to atheists, or at least the 'new atheist movement'.

    Honestly I find people who believe in Thor or Zeus or more rational and ethically concious, while the 'new atheists' fit more in with the KKK, Stormfront, etc

    I think the militant atheists would be better off, and happier if they believed in Odin or Zeus - as it is they're just a hate movement pretending to be rational. That's probably why they have higher depression and suicide rates than most religious people - must suck living such a hateful existence, and must suck even more thinking your already hateful existence has no more meaning than the material.
     
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    Hm then what about mainstream Muslims denouncing Al-Qaeda?

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    Calling out unethical behavior isn't bigotry.

    Miltant atheism is a joke, and is denounced even by serious atheists. It's to atheism what PETA is to veganism, and hopefully the passing fad will die out soon enough.
     
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    I feel at least as much hatred from your post.
     
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    Gotta love a thread denouncing generalizations about people....from somebody who in the same OP says "I think it's because a lot of atheists are hateful people".

    Apparently anti-atheist strawman are okay.
     
  7. thebrucebeat

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    Why don't you start a thread about that Muslim issue. In this thread, it doesn't do anything to address the argument being made.
    As for dying out, don't hold your breath.
    It will last longer than Timothy Dalton playing Bond.
     
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    Not a word of this is in any way related to my post. Do you lack the capacity to deal with the subject?

    We've already seen your attitude on display in any case.
     
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    SpaceCricket79 New Member Past Donor

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    That's my point about the persecution mentality that a lot of militant atheists have - they seem to think they're entitled to 'protection' from any criticism of their beliefs and equate this with 'bigotry' though the entire movement is basically just an 'evangelical' movement designed to 'convince people' that their beliefs are 'bad' and 'convert' them to atheism - they have a very narcissistic mindset and it gets tiresome.

    Bottom line is, militant atheists can't (and never have) made a rational case for why "religion" as a whole, or belief in a god or higher power is automatically "bad" - it's ironic because the movement tries to use "reason" almost as a marketing brand name, but it's all based on emotion.
     
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    Want to watch a typical "Bible-believing Christian" blogger shrivel up like an earthworm on hot concrete.....

    ask them to quote Titus 3:2. :)
     
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    It's only slander if it's false. lol
     
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    They completely freak out over the Fruits of the Spirit.
     
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    The concepts of Heaven and Hell are allegories for nearness and remoteness from God. When we die, the condition of our souls determines our experience of the afterlife. Heaven and Hell are not physical places, but spiritual realities.

    www.bahai.org/faq/beliefs/heaven_hell

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    So what you're saying is that atheists don't have any virtues, and therefore only "Christians or religious people" should be expected to follow them??
     
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    I don't understand how that addresses the hatred in your posts.
     
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    SpaceCricket79 New Member Past Donor

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    How is criticism of a belief 'hatred' (if it somehow relates to atheism)?

    But atheist criticism of religion then isn't hatred, only criticism of atheism - that's my point about the persecution mindset.

    I basically consider militant atheists the "PETA" of atheism, that's why I think they're idiotic
     
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    I am saying that Christians seem bound to use the bible as their guidebook, and can not take the Fruits of the Spirit or the Titus verse to heart.
    It says nothing at all about atheists virtues or how they define them.
     
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    You already used the PETA analogy. It was dumb the first time. Don't compound it.
    Many posts by atheists on these boards are very hateful.
    You expand that to be a inclusive trait of atheists.
    Their rudeness does not excuse your own.
    Peace, love, joy, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self control. The Fruits. These are what define a believer with the Holy Spirit dwelling in them, according to Paul in Galatians.
    Is this important to you?
     
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    I was pointing out the irony - atheists pointing out a Bible verse to tell Christians not to 'slander atheism', while they themselves are 'slandering' Christians.
     
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    Because these verses are supposed to influence the believer.
    Why do you think it so rarely does?
     
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    The people who hide behind the cover of "Christianity" while behaving
    in badly are a contemptible disgrace.
     
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    No, even before we debate it......let's see if you can even QUOTE Titus 3:2.

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    Maybe God loves hypocrisy???
    :)
     
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    Or atheists hiding behind the cover of 'reason' while behaving irrationally?
     
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    I think people strawman Christians as being Christians who are part of the Christian faith where they worship not only a God, but a Son of God who is or is not his own father, depending on which Christian you talk to. Doesn't matter since all of them are right...except all of the other ones. But they respect everyone...even though their God specifically forbids the recognition of any God beside his own...

    Atheists don't really strawman anything. Some do, but I think they are the more faddish types who are more anti-religious than atheist. They simply believe that God doesn't exist. And when engaged in discussion, they explai-

    ALL HAIL THE HYPNOTOAD.
     
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    Again, can you QUOTE Titus 3:2?
     
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    Is God an Atheist? I mean, who would HE believe in?
     

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