Why do criminals in other countries obey gun laws?

I just quickly checked Rape stats, US 27.3, France 16, EU average 10.19
http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Rape-rate

 

Apparently, they don't have Chicago, Baltimore, St Louis or New Orleans in the countries that your are talking about.

 

Why did you leave out the fact that both Australia and Sweden have higher rape stats?

 

You also didn't mention that under assault, the US didn't even make the list of top 92, nor under serious assault did the US make the list. The European Union sure did though.

 

Because I didn't look specifically at that. The claim was that other countries with tighter gun laws have higher crime figures in other areas. Clearly that is not the case. As such, tighter gun laws does not result in higher rates of other crime.

There are some other factors at play.

 

If Australia and Sweden have tighter gun laws and higher crime rates in other area, isn't the claim "other countries with tighter gun laws have higher crime figures in other areas" supported?

or lower rates of crime, including gun crime.

 

This is a similar argument used by gun control advocates to argue against concealed weapons in states like Florida and elsewhere, predicting blood running in the streets.... didn't happen; access to guns doesn't turn the law abiding people into crazed killers, rather incidence of crime appears to have declined.

 

I have been to other Countries, and met people that did not obey their Countries Gun laws, they had Guns.
It broke down something like this.

Firearms,
1. Illegal type of Firearm ( caliber )
2. Licence expired
3. Person now prohibited from owning Firearms.
4. Firearm type recently banned
5. Legal Firearms too expensive, person obtained / bought a less expensive black-market Firearm.

 

I think that is a fault with the scope of the data set. The UK wasn't featured in the Rape set for instance. The US figure for aggravated assault is in the region of 230-240 per 100,000, which would place it around 30 in the rankings for total assaults, but in the list of "serious assault" that would be placed at number 3, just in front of Zimbabwe.

 

The claim was made to infer that tighter gun laws creates higher figures for other crimes. Therefore it was only necessary to demonstrate that most other countries with tighter gun laws had lower crimes generally.

 

The writer implies, the reader infers. With both positive and negative results of gun laws, and without any other data, "generally" makes no difference.

 

Quite right, thanks

Indeed. It cannot be said that tight gun laws results in higher general crime rate.

 

True. If sometimes p->q, and sometimes p->~q, we don't have a lot to go on.

 

Yet Australia has higher rape and restrictive gun laws.

Globally there is no correlation between gun ownership per capita and crime.

 

But they are obeying guns laws even if they violate other laws.

 

You deserve that title for pointing out Ted Kennedy's drinking problem. I wasn't focused on just one individual in that thread.

 

Gun ownership results in higher homicide rates. How it affects other crimes is less clear. Most rape goes unreported in the US so your claim about Australia is very doubtful.

"The most recent research, however, indicates that a majority of rape victims still do not report their attacks to police."
https://www.nij.gov/topics/crime/rape-sexual-violence/pages/rape-notification.aspx

 

The most recent to ban firearms would be Australia, while they have only had a couple of mass shootings since then. All other forms of crime have risen dramatically. I've had this argument several times with Bowerbird and used her own countries statistics against her. All other forms of crime have risen dramatically since the ban, from 85% to 200+%. Look it up if you don't believe me.

 

No, we don't know that "gun ownership results in higher homicide rates".

There is no correlation either at the state level or at the global level between firearm ownership per capita and homicide.



As for rape statistics, I'm not making any claims, NationMaster is.

 

Maybe he'll just call it a "connection", which is more more step removed from cause and effect than correlation.

 

I did not simply point out Ted Kennedy's drinking problems, or the death of that woman, or his failure to report the accident, his life time goal to ban any Firearms, ammo, the DCM program, sponsoring any Anti-Gun Law, his hypocrisy when one of his Bodyguards was arrested in Washington DC at the Capitol, for ILLEGAL possession of an UZI, no, that is not Cherry picking, it is a fact.

 

A graph that compares low population density areas to high population density areas like that is highly misleading. Next you'll be pointing out the low murder rate in Antarctica.

 

So it's not gun ownership, but population density that influences the homicide rate? Do go on.

 

It's a combination of factors that increase the homicide rate. Easy access to guns is one.

 

Criminals in California and Chicago have to jump through all kinds of hoops to get a gun, legally or illegally, yet folks in neighboring states or places like Texas or Vermont can get them legally in a matter of minutes. It would be interesting to plot "easy access" vs homicide rate.