Why Do I Need An "Assault" Weapon?

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  1. SiNNiK

    SiNNiK Well-Known Member

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    Yeah I get it, but what are the Marines zeroing their rifles for, 300? I think we zeroed for 100.
     
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    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    You don't need an assault rifle. They are inherently inaccurate short range weapons made generally to be used for...uh....military assault. They are not even good for home defense, as their ammunition is rather expensive and generally over penetrative and dangerous for residential use, while their rate of fire encourages waste. A shotgun is much better, requiring less skill but having more utility for all but a trained and practicing soldier.

    The only thing they're actually good at hunting is a 7/11
     
  3. SiNNiK

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    It sounds like you are talking about full auto, so you are ok with semi-auto rifles?
     
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    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    A semi auto assault rifle is really semi-useless. It would fire at a rate a good deal less than an auto, that is true, but it would still be higher than most other legal types and scatter a whole lot of bullets, each very effective up to several yards at penetrating either bodies or most walls. Most importantly, it has to be aimed at most individual targets to be reliably effective. Oh, and as a hunter most good pistols will match or exceed it.. Almost all hunting rifles exceed them by far.

    An assault rifle is a MILITARY weapon, as a civilian you have NO use for one.

    Most books I've read on home defense recommend the shortest pump shotgun you can obtain, both for ease of use and unlikelyhood to cause 'collateral damage'. The only problem is that most are very limited in ammunition capacity, but unless you're trying to stand down a large crowd (and you shouldn't be doing that at all unless you're at least a group of three actual soldiers, preferably more, with body armor.)
     
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    eff you, dude. EYE will be the one deciding what I have a use for. You don't know diddly about this subject. about all that full auto does is MISS a lot, Semiauto AR15's, WIN most of the 600 yd matches, on 8" diameter x ring targets, every weekend and yes, I DO mean in 223 caliber. So you are full of it about autorifles having no accuracy or range.
     
  6. SiNNiK

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    So my youngest kid has a Ruger 10/22 semi-auto rifle in .22, that has a magazine capacity of 25 rounds. Do you consider that to be an "assault rifle"? Or is it not a big enough caliber? I'm trying to understand your definition of an "assault rifle".
     
  7. Shiva_TD

    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    This reflects the general ignorance of those advocating gun control. The appearance of a firearm, and assault weapons are defined solely by appearance criteria, has nothing to do with functionality. The gun control lobby confuses "assault weapons" that are firearms based upon different appearance criteria with "assault rifles" used by the military which are defined by functionality and they are not the same firearms although neither is innaccurate. A "musket" (smooth bore, round ball, black powder rifle) is relatively inaccurate at ranges over about 100 yards while virtually all "rifled" modern firearms are generally limited only by the marksmanship of the shooter.

    It also shows ignorance to state that a shotgun is one of the best home defense firearms and then ban arguably the best shotgun for home defense. IMO the very best home defense shotgun, and the one that I own for that purpose, is the Mossberg 12 ga. pump shotgun and it would be banned as an "assault weapon" by every law on assault weapons I've ever read. It has a folding stock and pistol grip, both "assault weapon" criteria, that is absolutely necessary for use in confined locations such as in a home. Also note that the one I own has a blindingly bright light on the barrel for illuminating a possible target in a dark home at night.

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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    Two points that I'd address.

    The Ruger 10/22 has a 10-round capacity magazine and is perhaps the most popular .22 caliber target and hunting rifle in America and does not have any of the appearance features listed for "assault weapons" (e.g folding stock, bayonet mount, pistol grip, etc.).

    http://www.ruger.com/products/1022/index.html

    In all states I'm aware of, and perhaps based upon federal law, if your child is under 18 years old legally the firearm belongs to you and not your child. While you might have symbolically "given" it to the child I don't believe the child can take legal possession until they turn 18.

    The conversation should be kept honest on both sides.
     
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    Aftermarket magazines are available for the Ruger 10/22, that go up to 50 rounds in capacity. Aftermarket stocks are also available for the 10/22, folding, with pistol grip, etc.

    Federal law allows those under 18 to be given guns. Most states (30 of 50) allow children to own long guns.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...hild-can-still-legally-own-a-rife-or-shotgun/

    It should be kept honest, and you need to do the same. Please look up federal law before you make incorrect statements about laws. You didn't do the due diligence of a google search, yet you make this claim about honesty........
     
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    My youngest kid's 10/22, with the 25 round magazine attached. 10 round magazine is laying nearby. :)

    And yeah my kid is older than 18, so no one is lying over on this end of the conversation.

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    Not the same rifle as quoted, but this picture illistrated the exact same functioning rifle, just with different stocks, hardware, and function. Let me repeat that, they all function EXACTLY the same. Are they all assault weapons?

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  12. SiNNiK

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    Looky what fell into my hands last night, (safe guarding my Dad's rifle for him while he moves).

    A 10/22, with collapsible stock. Do anything for ya?

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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    What you can purchase by aftermarket suppliers for the Ruger 10/22 has no bearing on the fact that it is designed by Ruger for a 10-round magazine. I could, in theory, produce a 5,000 round magazine for the rifle.

    In a limited sense you are correct. There are no federal prohibitions specifically related to ownership of long guns (rifles and shotgun).

    http://smartgunlaws.org/minimum-age-to-purchase-possess-firearms-policy-summary/

    Where you are incorrect is that you fail to address the "age of majority" as a minor cannot engage in issues of "contract" and transfer of ownership is established by contract (either verbal or in writing) and the guardian is legally responsible in such cases. So while "in name" the ownership can be granted in fact the property is under the legal control of the guardian until the person reaches the age of majority.

    http://definitions.uslegal.com/a/age-of-majority/

    When addressing issues of fact a person must do a thorough investigation of all relevant issues that have bearing on the facts.
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    What someone can purchase doesn't change the fact that the Ruger 10/22 is designed for the 10 round clip by Ruger.

    By analogy I can put a 10-21 blower on the Chevy engine in my van but that doesn't imply the engine or the van was designed for it.
     
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    I didn't know that Ruger designed the 10/22 only for a 10 round magazine. For what gun did Ruger build my BX-25 magazines for? I meant to buy that gun.

    Edit: It said on the packaging that it was made for the 10/22.
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    I have no idea where that stock came from but based upon the Ruger website it didn't come from Ruger and isn't a Ruger 10/22. it might be using components from the Ruger 10/22 but that doesn't make it a Ruger 10/22. All of the versions of the Ruger 10/22 are shown in the attached image.

    Ruger 10-22.jpg

    http://www.ruger.com/products/1022/index.html

    You might also note that 10/22 is a Registered Trademark of the Ruger company and anyone using the term 10/22 for a firearm not produced by Ruger is in violation of the Trademark.
     
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    Sounds like your wife would be an ideal candidate for a monitored burglar alarm system with siren. Nobody breaks into my house and I don't even have to lock the doors.
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    The BX-25 magazine is a general purpose 25-round magazine that will work on several Ruger 22 caliber semi-automatic rifles. The magazine was designed to fit the following list of 22-caliber semi-automatic rifles produced by Ruger as opposed to any of the rifles being produced to fit the magazine.

    http://shopruger.com/BX-25-Magazine/productinfo/90361/

    Just because a magazine will fit a rifle doesn't imply the rifle was designed for that magazine. in the case of the Ruger 10/22 it was "designed" for the 10-round magazine but the BX-25 will fit the rifle.
     
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    This is literally the funniest thing I've read today.

    Maybe yesterday too. Wow.
     
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    SiNNiK Well-Known Member

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    And just to let you know the stock is made by Tapco available from numerous places, as well as here:

    TAPCO Intrafuse T6 Rifle Stock 6-Position Collapsible Ruger 10/22 Standard Barrel Channel Synthetic
    http://www.midwayusa.com/product/11...ruger-10-22-standard-barrel-channel-synthetic

    And look at all the stuff from bolt handles to barrels available for 10/22's just on Amazon. Just because you change the bolt handle to a custom piece doesn't change the rifle's make and model. There a million ways to make your 10/22 unique.

    http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias=aps&field-keywords=10/22+
     
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    Notice the trademark. ;)

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    Ruger built the rifle and the BX-25 magazine for the rifle. Where is your proof that Ruger only intended for the 10 round magazine to be used in the 10/22? What gun did Ruger intend the BX-25 magazine to be used in? Just because they sold it with a 10 round magazine to be compliant with the law in gun control states doesn't mean that the 10/22 was designed specifically for the 10 round magazine. I wonder what magazine the management at Ruger use in their 10/22s.
     
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    To facilitate phallic tumescence?
     
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    You think maybe that's why this young lady wants one?

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    That was so stupid, it hurt to read it. An AR-15 is the same gun as an M-16 without the full auto capability. It is just as accurate, with just as much range. I don't think I would want to use the full auto anyway, as I would run out of ammo quicker and cause too much collateral damage. At close range, a 12GA will penetrate through just as many walls.

    As a free man with a right to bear arms, I have a different opinion.

    The smartest thing you've said all day. My 20" Mossberg will hold 8 shots and I have 6 more mounted on the gun for reloading as needed, although I'm considering adding an AR pistol to the fold.
     

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