Why do Repubs keep repeating the "open borders" lie?

Why do Repubs keep repeating the "open borders" lie?

Probably because is the truth and it is a bad thing for our country. Why do you think they do.

 

Exactly..the abolishment of ice to help achieve their dream of open borders...thread fail! Youre trying too hard

 

But that is the situation you described....

 

I didn't "describe" it at all. I characterized it. But here's just a little bit of a description: In Honduras the police beat young men who refuse to participate in the illicit, corrupt and evil deeds of the police thugs. There and in other countries gangs kill young men who won't join them. These are failed societies and people are risking their lives to escape them, hoping we will offer safety. History shows that in their desperation such people will be model citizens and contribute far more than they take from society. But the right has an agenda of gaining one-party-rule by doing anything and everything they can to stop people from electing Democrats, including what they are doing to these refugees and their children. The right is despicable!

 

Yes but the point you miss is compromise with the left is the very reason we are where we are today with illegal immigration numbers! I can't believe the leftist are that behind the curve on past amnesty deals and the reneging by the Democrats!

But yes, you keep believing it's all the Republicans doing in this reluctant issue!

 

By first walking straight past US consulates where they're supposed to apply for asylum ... and their first action is to violate US law without any corrupt policemans coercion.

 

That is a total misrepresentation and the opposite of how it usually unfolds as they reach our border. Why do you spread such total CRAP?

These people are families and women with children who WALKED 2000 miles to escape their situation. WHO walks 2000 miles to commit crimes? They arrive here hoping for protection and for us to receive them with sympathy and understanding. WHO in such a situation would brashly storm our borders intending to commit crimes? Even simple logic escapes you.

 

Let's interpret this. Millions of Mexicans illegally entered our country, and they now enjoy the milk of our human kindness. Millions Kode. Now 5,000 Hondurans / Guatamalans receive NONE from Mexico. So what sort of people have we adopted Kode? Why shouldn't we truck this caravan to Trudeau's border? Seems like every other country on the continent(s) thinks shepherding people ever northward is the only humane thing to do.

 

Based on your complete misunderstanding of the facts contained in this...........https://www.factcheck.org/2018/07/calls-to-abolish-ice-not-open-borders/

...................I recommend a remedial English course.

 

Here's what the Dems supported in the way of border security.

—The bill sets out a series of requirements that must be achieved over 10 years before anyone here illegally can obtain a permanent resident green card. These include:

(1) Roughly doubling the number of Border Patrol agents stationed along the U.S.-Mexico border, to at least 38,405.

(2) Completing 700 miles of pedestrian fencing along the border, which would require approximately 350 new miles of fencing.

(3) Installing a host of new security measures and technologies in specified locations along the border, including specific numbers of surveillance towers, camera systems, ground sensors, radiation detectors, mobile surveillance systems, drones, helicopters, airborne radar systems, planes and ships.

(4) Implementing a system for all employers to verify electronically their workers' legal status.

(5) Setting up a new electronic system to track people leaving the nation's airports and seaports.

—The border security improvements are designed to achieve 100 percent surveillance of the border with Mexico and ensure that 90 percent of would-be crossers are caught or turned back.

—If the goals of a 90 percent effectiveness rate and continuous surveillance on the border are not met within five years, a Southern Border Security Commission made up of border-state governors and others would determine how to achieve them.

—Border security spending in the bill totals around $46 billion.

https://www.politico.com/story/2013/06/immigration-bill-summary-093557

 

Edit? All ^^^ that an after thought? Hoping for ... prepared to do what? Yes Kode they intend to break the law just as they have broken, and defy Mexico's laws.

 

It's not that the logic escapes him. Hatred and bigotry just keep getting in the way of his comprehension.

 

This is different. The history of the past 30 or 40 years in which our government allowed abuse of immigration laws is one thing. Refugees are another. How much impact can 5000 or 10,000 or 100,000 refugees have on us? None. It's a question of compassion vs. harsh discrimination, normal human mercy vs. callous, insensitive inhumanity. And truth vs. gross distortion of facts.

 

What's missing here is the fact that Republicans aren't actually trying to fix anything.

This is nothing but a cynical ploy to rile up the anti-immigrant folks for the elections.

Republicans won't fix immigration. If they do they have nothing to run on

 

It's the cumulative effect Kode. It's the precident it sets, and the lure it creates. Trump threatens to pull US aid. It's a good idea. Mexico can easily absorb them too. Stubborn fact ... Mexicans who are deported home must prove Mexican citizenship to get gov't assistance there. The flight from Honduran oppression ended days ago ... now it's Mexican oppression. It's unfair, unsustainable, and unacceptable.

 

President Reagan signed the The Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 into law that to many called "amnesty."

You have to go back to 1982 when the CIA informed President Reagan that there was a problem in "Old Mexico" that things were so ****ed up in Mexico that you would expect the Mexican people to revolt and have a revolution. But the CIA informed Reagan that there will never be a revolution in Mexico...that Mexicans run away from their problems and are running north to "El Norte" and are bringing their problems and politicas with them.

This wasn't good news for America, uneducated, unskilled people who many were bad hombres and were holding on to their leftist politics that weren't Americana.

So Reagan had to secure the border and enforce America's immigration laws.

Everyone was on board except for the Democrats. The Democrats demanded a one time amnesty for all soon to be undocumented Democrats (illegal aliens) The Democrats even lied saying it would be a one time amnesty never to be repeated again. (It was a lie, six more amnesties were snuck through Congress during the Clinton administration and Obama's illegal amnesty when he used his phone and pen.)

"The The Immigration Reform and Control Act" was an enforcement nill not an amnesty bill. The amnesty was an amendment added to the enforcement bill to get Democrats to vote for the bill.

Americans opposed the amnesty amendment but Reagan spent two years trying to convince Republicans to allow the amnesty or the "Immigration Reform and Control Act" wouldn't have enough votes in Congress and the invasion would continue.

It was an enforcement bill.

The only part of the IRCA of 1986 that was enforced was the amnesty.

When President Reagan put Harold Ezzel in charge of the Western Region of the INS to enforce the IRCA the usual radicals yelled "racism" and Harold Ezzel was forced to resign.

Any time any President tried to uphold the oath of President and enforce our immigration laws the left and the Democratic party yells racism.
When our laws that are on the books are being enforced the left will always be yelling racism, xenophobia, etc.

 

Uh, he was using facts that make you dems look untrustworthy. SO you call it gibberish. Did he state facts in regards to Ca and democrats there? If so, ignoring his point is not quite intellectual honesty being used by you.

If Ca does ignores federal immigration law, how in the hell can you trust them to obey it later on? ha ha You know what a rational mind sees when he looks at Ca? Well, it isn't good for your arguments. Cannot trust those democratic bastards. They make trump look like some choir boy.

 

You don't seem to have any faith in your Republican government to distinguish genuine need and suffering from opportunism. So you support inhumane insensitivity with carefully selected words like "lure".

We have ALWAYS had aliens coming to the US, some legally and with good intentions, and some illegally with bad intentions. But for some reason that I understand all too well the right suddenly wants to harshly conflate them and commit horrible crimes against them and their children.

 

What about the "tradition" of Reagan and every other president since then to ignore the law that prohibited employers from hiring foreigners who had no green card nor SSN? That was "convenient" for keeping wages from rising much, and now we have record income and wealth disparity along with a huge immigration problem.

 

RIght right riiiiiiiiiiiiiight... Democrats.

What about all the politicians ON BOTH SIDES ignoring immigration laws since Reagan?

 

I don't care what intentions they have. They'll either take an American job, burden our social programs, or both. Go meet 'em Kode, write them a check, give them both kidneys. You whine about Medicaid and Jerry Brown's ready to enrol them. He'll have 30 non english speakers in every CA public school classroom too. Mexico hasn't criminalized human compassion. Go help your fellow man there.

 

So all you have is ridiculous verbiage. FACTS, pally. FACTS. Facts are that studies and statistics show that immigrants take less and give more to our society than established Americans who have been here for generations. They work harder, strive for more improvement, produce more, and serve in the military honorably. FACTS, pally. FACTS.

 

Reagan's immigration reform failed for ONE main reason.

No one ever bothered to crack down on businesses HIRING illegals...so they just brought in more

 

No Kode ... that's not what facts show, and you can't actually provide reliable facts on undocumented persons, or those with stolen or fictitious identities. No open borders as ye pray ... please let them in ...

 

Has anyone here heard Pelosi or Schumer stand up and demand the border needs to be closed and a wall built? So in fact the lie is the title of this thread.