Why do so many people blindly believe the US claims that Russia hacked the election?

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  1. Johnny-C

    Johnny-C Well-Known Member

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    We've ALL had opportunity to see/hear the President LIE however; and concerning that, THOUSANDS of times.

    Add it up reasonably.
     
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  2. Bluebird

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    Nope,can't blame this on the media---not even a nice try---
    Article 3,Section 3,Clause 1 of the Constitution of United States of America----says he is a "traitor"----
     
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    According to cloud strike but the data transfer rate produced by Cloud strike for the information suggests it wouldn't have been possible for Guccifer to do so unless they were in the building. The speed is more suggestive of the use of a thumb drive or similar device.
     
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    Nonsense.
     
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    garyd Well-Known Member

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    If you would do something at little less humorless..
     
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    Anti Trump mania is easily explained

    There are a lot of stupid people in the world
     
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    Uh,no nonsense- I see you don't have a leg to stand on in way of defense!
    So,you tell me then why trump is attempting to walk back his statements in Helsinki, when he was standing right next to Putin?Also,why we are at it---trump said today that "No,Russia is "not" still meddling in our business"---Uh,how would he even know---he fired the cyber security director & eliminated the position & Congress hasn't even had any meetings about protecting our security--?
    Why are you on Russia's side on this? Russia is not our friend!
     
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    How the hell am I defending Putin? I am simply being skeptical about the US intelligence claims, considering how many times they lie to my face.
     
  9. Johnny-C

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    Wow, you are spewing some stuff that tells me that your support of Trump is practically guaranteed.

    Oh well.

    Goodbye.
     
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    Ok show me the evidence. Show me the data, servers, ip addresses, transfer rates, that add up to concluding the Russians indeed tried to interfere in our election (which is definitely possible). You do not have any of this, because none of it was released. You simply believe the foreign policy, establishment, MSM establishment, oil companies, and MIC, and report them as fact, which is sad considering they've lied to your face.

     
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    Please provide responsible sources that claim Russia successfully hacked the election. Responsible sources would include respected news sources or members of our government.

    Liberal wackos, including freaked out extreme left wing columnists, do not count.

    You are creating an issue that isn't there to distract from Trump's embarrassing and treasonous performances on Monday and Tuesday. It won't work. Trump despicable behavior will dominate the news cycle for quite a while until his next degrading performance.
     
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    What are you talking about--lying to your face? Let's see your proof of anything about this trump issue, then let's talk!
     
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    Wow. I've never seen this. You actually believe that the US intel has never lied to your face? That they are right about everything? How can you believe everything the government tells you so easily when they continuously LIE.

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    You've raised a really interesting question. I'm enjoying rolling it around in my mind, given what you have accurately claimed about the past.
     
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    I do support trump

    And its very sad to see how insane the anti trumpsters have become

    This will not end well
     
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    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/15/us/politics/guccifer-russia-mueller.html

    Mueller's indictment includes all the relevent info.

    people have been indicted by a Grand Jury due to the evidence.

    but you have no faith in America or our justice system and you love Russia.
     
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    You must be calling half this country a traitor then. No collusion between Trump and Russia has been presented. You take the word of the CIA, FBI, & NSA at face value. They have consistently misled Congress, the Media, the courts, and yes, the American people. We don't want the people to know the truth so we just say "we can't release that information because of national security". The way some of you guys cry about breaches I'm beginning to wonder about if we have any National Security. At this very moment your own government is keeping track of your posts, the bigger city's are just about able to track your every move, the stores you shop and the streets were you walk, the casinos in America have your face already in the system, and if your on Facebook did you ever wonder why they call it that? National Security? Give me a break; better yet, give me Social Security.

    I would think you would have a hard time proving Treason seeing the facts about Trump and Putin and Russia.

    1. August 2017 - Trump signs bill imposing sanctions on Russia and closes two Russian embassies and staff

    2. Trump expelled 60 Russians over the Russian Spy Sergei Skripal poisoning in Britain.

    3. Trump imposed additional sanctions on Russia.

    4.Approved $47 million weapons sale to the Ukraine government to combat Russia.

    5. Supplied and bombed Russian backed Syrian forces who were bombing innocents.

    6. Sold defense systems to Poland to counter act Russian missiles.

    7. Supports Georgia and Macedonia joining NATO.

    These are not the actions of a person who is in collusion with Russia.
     
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    Could America be headed for a new civil war?

    Listening to the libs on this forum I think its possible
     
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    if Trump was allowed to do whatever he likes, he would end ALL sanctions against Russia, leave NATO and sign a free-trade agreement with Russia.
     
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    Do the dems really believe that the Russians took control of our computers and changed the votes to favor Trump? That is a hack.

    I believe Russia had some trolls trying to pretend they were Americans on the forums badmouthing Hil. But do the dems think that this was why Hil lost?

    The poor dems will be stewing in their own juices about this until the next prez election.
     
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    I don't have to prove it---the United States Constitution proves it--it is pretty clear on it's definition of treason Article 3,Section 3,Clause 1------trump stood right next to Putin & took his side over the United States---that's treason----
    And I for one believe what our intelligence says--
    And it took an act of Congress to get the additional sanctions on Russia-it was made trump proof so he couldn't veto them---
    Yeah,he can support Georgia & Macedonia joining NATO all he wants, but in the meantime if he gets rid of NATO,he can say oh, well I tried---
     
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    Haha I love Russia. Man, when no evidence has been released, not a single shred of evidence for collusion or Russian hacking, just attack people and call them puppets of the Kremlin. That article that you just linked, does not show me any proof, data....HARD DATA based on servers, about Russian hacking. How do you believe the intelligence agencies with such impunity after they constantly lie to your face?
     
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    They've been programmed through Critical Theory.

    One must not question the premise, and every belief must support the premise.

    This is why they go insane when the premise is questioned.
     
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    So,let me ask you this--If your so concerned about being lied to---why do you accept the lies from trump? And please, don't say trump never lied--I can give you over 3000 & more being added daily!
    But, thanks for bringing the video's.
     
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    And it's when you are skeptical of the premise, the smearing occurs, 'your a Kremlin puppet' , 'you love putin',
     
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