Why do so many people hate the Jews?

Constantine was 325 years later. Every country around them had issues with them, centuries before the Christian era, Egypt, Babylonians, Assyrians, etc., and the Romans tore down the Second Temple, and suppressed at least one more major revolt after that. Trying to blame 'Christianity' for all their woes is itself bigoted nonsense.

 

For one, without the constant flow of Christian pilgrims and their cash over the centuries, Jerusalem would have had no value to anybody, and would have just been razed. It would have faded entirely. There was nothing else there of any importance to anybody else.

 

Every country had issues with every other country back then. Suppressing revolts was standard. Ask Queen Boudicca.

The Romans murdered the Gaelic druids, not the Jewish priests. In fact, Jews flourished under four great empires - Babylonian (yes, despite the destruction of the Temple, Jews were allowed to keep their religion and customs) Greek, Persian, Roman. There was no antisemitic legislation, they were free to practice their religion anywhere in the empire (except for a very brief period during Antiochus Epiphanes' reign).

Antisemitism is Christianity's burden. Driven by its thirst for power the Church persecuted everyone deemed pagan or heretic, by the way, not only Jews.

A quick historical tour of the region shows that Jerusalem didn't need the Christian pilgrims and their cash. There were the Muslim rulers and their mosques, and of course the constant flow of Jews who settled in and around Jerusalem.

Jews in diaspora pray twice a year - for two thousand years - "next year in Jerusalem". The status of the city in Judaism hasn't changed since the first Temple, Christianity and Islam notwithstanding.

There were no Christian pilgrims and their cash (nor Muslims and their mosques) in the period between the destruction of the first Temple and the construction of the second. Yet Jews returned from the Babylonian exile and rebuilt their Temple in Jerusalem.

 

Yes, which makes the rest of your post about some special Christian burden complete rubbish.

Actually they killed a lot of them. You really don't know much about it. Apparently you think Jews were pacifists, and the assorted Jewish revolts were just sit-ins or something.

The Romans detested a lot of pagan tribes that practiced human sacrifice, not just Druids and their penchant for it.

LOL they never 'flourished', or they would be a much larger demographic. There were constant anti-Jewish riots everywhere in Islamo-Land as well. Allowing them to practice their religion isn't a point; they were never denied that right under Christians, either; they were free to make their own choices. In a few instances, that choice involved leaving, as under the reconquest of Spain, because they were considered an existential threat to the state, not an unreasonable consideration given their long alliance with the Muslim invaders; they were given the same choices as Muslims were given, either convert or leave, a better option than Muslims ever gave others they conquered.

Jewish racism is their own burden. Self-segregation usually has consequences, and not just for Jews. Christians treated non-Christians better than non-Christians ever treated Christians, so nobody else gets to snivel when the shoe got put on the other foot.

More rubbish. Most Christian responses were to persecutions by pagans, Jews, and any other religious pogroms against Christians; all the whining to the contrary is just from the losers who failed to crush the Christians over the years, nothing else. They didn't just run around killing pagans for no reason, despite all the stupid 'new atheist' propaganda thrown about these days. You apparently don't know what a heretic is, either, and what it takes to be one. Clue: pagans aren't 'heretics'.

And, as for pagans, they were far more bigoted, violent, brutal, and nasty, not really anyone to get up a pity party over; there were very good reasons to not want them around or roll over and let them run over you.

More rubbish. The only reason Saladin didn't burn Jerusalem to the ground, like he did every other town he conquered in his war against the crusader states was purely because of the money it generated from pilgrims for the West; the Jewish population didn't migrate there en masse, they remained dispersed around the rest of the Diaspora.

you seem to think all Jews were rich, and could afford to travel at will, and you seem to think there was a massive number of them. You're wrong. Christian pilgrims out-numbered every other by far, which us why Saladin even bothered to fight for it and keep it intact.

I never said there were in that period. You now have to jump around to different periods out of context, so that means you don't have a point and need to hide that fact. Jerusalem only achieved importance to anybody but Jews much later than the early Christian era. It was a backwater for centuries, only of interest because of the pilgrimages.

 

RE: Why do so many people hate the Jews?
※→ et al,

Included in the roots of antisemitism (discussed here as hostile behavior to, a detrimental preconceived opposition, or the unjust and prejudicial treatment against Jews) date back nearly 4 millennium --- to a time before the classical age in the Middle Kingdom of Egypt and to the time ⇒ of the Covenant with Abraham (≈ 1700 BC). That is when the "G-d of Abraham" (the Supreme Being honored by the Hebrews, Christians, and Muslims) made the commitment to the decedents.

“Leave your country, your people and your father’s household and go to the land I will show you,” God told Abram.
“I will make you into a great nation and I will bless you; I will make your name great, and you will be a blessing.
I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you
I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you”
(Genesis 12:1-3, NIV).
(Also, see the Torah -
Bereishit - Genesis - Chapter 12)
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IF you are a believer in the G-d of Abraham and do not persecute ("curse") the Jewish People, THEN you are blessed by the ... G-d of Abraham in the Covenant.

Almost every conflict that has arose concerning the Jewish People, has some profitable or advantageous motivation (Wealth, Influence, Power) that was wanted by the majority and taken from the minority (Jewish People).

There is no real and justifiable reason for antisemitism in the 21st Century.

Most Respectfully, (The Agnostic)
R

 

On a positive note the being / beings / Being of light of near death experience fame sure does seem to like Jews and takes them up to higher and higher levels after they die.

 

On the roots of the antisemitism so ingrained in the 'New Left' and 'Progressives' of today. Good article, and even people with short attention spans might even be able to handle it.

http://www.jcpa.org/phas/phas-32.htm

 

Judaism was a tiny religion in the ancient world. It would have faded into obscurity had not Xtianity thrived.

Oh, and Xtianity has been in India since the 2nd century.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_India

They had their own brand of Xtianity until the Catholics came along in the 16th-century and tried to convert them from their "false" Xtianity to western Europe's pope worship cult.

 

Yeah, because when most people think of liberals, they think of the KKK.

Lol.

 

Politicised Jews who put all their identity into the state of Israel have cheapened the term 'anti-semitism' to the point that it is meaningless trying to detach it from extreme Israeli nationalist cheap shot. You now get fascistic Loyalists in NI flying Israeli flags simply because it is a dig at Republicans, how cheap is a flag and an idea of a nation that these types see it as a way to troll their political opponents?

 

Smirk all you want; most know antisemitism is just as popular among leftists and 'progressives', and there are a lot more leftists and 'progressives' than there are KKK members.

 

Christianity is a reformed Judaism,whether Jews or many Christian sects like it or not, so they all need to get over it already.

 

Queen Budicca's revolt took place before the advent of Christianity in Europe. Neither the Iceni nor the Roman rulers were Christians. I mentioned that to show that Jews were treated no different from other people. What are you talking about?

Romans didn't kill Jewish priests for being Jewish, they only killed those who rebelled against their authority.

You missed my point. Pagan Romans didn't punish Jews for being Jews, or Celtics for being Celtics, or Britons for being Britons, or Greeks for being Greeks. They only punished those who threatened their rule. There was no antisemitism then.

My post was about the pre-Christian era. Islam didn't exist then.

If you call having to choose between converting, being killed or being forced into exile "not denying a right", I'd say the definition of "right" must be revised.

Those Jews who converted to save their lives and families didn't escape persecution either. The Inquisition received both the task of making sure the converts are sincere and the fortunes of those who were not. Oh, the irony of having to prove one's sincere belief when one has been forced to convert or else...

Jews were not considered a threat to the existence of the state. They were considered a threat to the existence of the Christian state. The Alhambra edict is quite clear in this regard:

Read the whole damn thing:
http://www.sephardicstudies.org/decree.html

Self segregation? Really?

Here's a sample of self-segregation, only those doing it were not Jews - they were Christians segregating themselves from Jews:

Self-segregation...pfftt.

Sure. That's why no pagans or heretic sects survived wherever Christians held power. That's why Jews were thrown out of Spain and England. That's why Crusaders massacred Jews on the way to the Holy land.

What religious pogroms took place against Christians?

There were no persecutions after Christianity became the official religion of the Roman Empire, but this is when persecutions against pagans, heretics and Jews began. The oppressed became the oppressor.

What about "love thy enemy" and "turn the other cheek"?

May I remind you how much the civilized world owes to pagan philosophy, literature, arts and science? Renaissance wouldn't have been possible without it.

No, this is not what I meant.

Jerusalem is important to Jews, always was. Christianity has not added, nor subtracted, anything.

 

Ah, so all the hatred has to do with religious beliefs. I should have figured as much.

 

I guess most of folks hate Muslims, but not Jews.

 

RE: Why do so many people hate the Jews?
※→ Ostap Bender, et al,

2014 Poll: Americans Like Jews Most, Muslims Least

Jews, Catholics and evangelical Christians are viewed warmly by the American public. When asked to rate each group on a “feeling thermometer” ranging from 0 to 100 – where 0 reflects the coldest, most negative possible rating and 100 the warmest, most positive rating – all three groups receive an average rating of 60 or higher (63 for Jews, 62 for Catholics and 61 for evangelical Christians). And 44% of the public rates all three groups in the warmest part of the scale (67 or higher).
By Ilisha on July 18, 2014 in Loon Politics, Loon-at-large
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HATE: That is an emotion. Emotions are subjective, base on the scope and nature of influences.

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In the US, the PEW Study (2006 Poll Reported by Lisa Katz - Updated January 27, 2016) included the finding that:

One of the survey's most striking findings is that majorities in Egypt, Indonesia, Jordan and Turkey - Muslim countries with fairly strong ties to the United States - said that they did not believe that Arabs carried out the September 11 attacks in the United States.

Conversely: → (CBS Poll: Americans say Muslims least deserving of religious protections 2015) "A Pew Research Center survey last year found an increasing share of Americans believe Islam is more likely than other religions to encourage violence among its followers. Several outspoken critics have emerged who argue Islam itself is a threat to the U.S."​

It is generally understood that the older and more worldly Americans tend to have a more favorable impression of Jews in general, and Israel specifically, than do younger Americans. However, the reciprocal is not held by the Israelis as they view Americans (What do Israelis Think About Americans? Start with Disdain! By Naomi Zeveloff 8 March 2015).

I thought I was a bit naive in my assessment of Israeli Friendship. But, I had just (very) recently met with a longtime friend (we both were CI Agents together and graduated the same Technical Surveillance Countermeasures Course together). His exposure to the Israelis (personally and professionally) lead him to the same conclusion. While the Israelis see America as a close ally and friend to Israel; they don't think much of us as a people. As things progress into the 21st Century, it will not be America coming closer to the Arab World and backing away from Israel, as it will be the new generation of Americans being pushed hard away from a viable relationship with the Israelis. I think there will be a major shift in the relationship between the Americans and the Israelis as the magnitude of the Israel disdain for Americans becomes a significant factor in how the relationship might be influences with the Muslims.

Just One Man's Opinion.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

Most of that pushing away comes from the Left, of course, not some tiny assortment of KKK or neo-nazi clubs.

As for the myth of 'moderate Islam', only the uninformed buy into that. Here is a periodically updated list of Muslim opinion polls that can dispel the myth of 'moderate Islam'.

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/articles/opinion-polls.aspx

One false notion many have is that Islam is a 'religion', but the reality is that for those who aren't Muslims it's just a violent, murderous political ideology that rivals left wing 'humanism' and its natural cultural evolutionary spawn Marxism and Nazism in the ongoing contest to see who can exterminate the most people.

Just because Muslims like to pretend Islam is a religion doesn't obligate non-Muslims to consider it as one nor treat it as 'equivalent' to genuine theologies.

 

This goes back thousands of years and in order to attempt an explanation one has to go down the rabbit hole of anti-semetism to explain it honestly. Lets think about Jews and history for a second though. These are some of the traits of the Jewish people throughout time. Yes they are generalizations and yes they might be stereotypes but there is truth behind it as well.

1. The Jewish faith arose from a group of people who detested polytheism, paganism, hedonism and what they perceived to be immoral foundations of the cultures surrounding the ME three to four thousand years ago.
2. Creating a new faith meant defining it, debating it, spreading it, defending it and documenting it. The Jewish people are not a separate race, they came from the same stock as most other people that lived in the area at that time.
3. By separating themselves from the larger community both culturally, spiritually and socially they were seen as different. They had rules about hygiene for instance that were vastly different than the others in the area. This willing separation helped define them and also created a schism between them and everyone else. The Painted Bird gets targeted, if you are different people will react.
4. They were successful, they were educated, they were resourceful and they maintained cohesive integrity.
5. As time went on, others saw them and envied them, hated them, targeted them, killed them, drove them away but yet they endured.
6. Jews were indeed blamed for the death of Jesus, it did not help their cause that they refused to call him the son of God or a God himself.
7. As centuries went by, Jews fled across the diaspora and stayed true to themselves.
8. They became associated with money and business, this started their scapegoating for anything to do with the economy of the era.
9. They lent money out thus becoming bankers, this made people mad when they had to pay their debts or saw their interest provide an income to Jews.
10. They remained highly educated, very intelligent and resourceful up to this day.

These reasons are why I believe some people detest Jews. I for one admire the hell out of them but others, not so much.

 

any more irony and I think your keyboard'd rust.

 

If it is true that Jews GLOW.....
from the perspective of a higher dimension of space - then
Christians who are heavily influenced by fallen angel will tend to be
very annoyed by that quality.


http://www.politicalforum.com/index...n-from-higher-dimension-of-space-time.513999/

Do Jews GLOW if seen from higher dimension of space - time?