Why doesn't socialism work?

It doesn't get any more liberal democrat than silicon valley.

 

Trump is the greatest president of our lifetimes.

 

So first you said the Bankers support of Lenin was a one-off, expedient of war.

Now you're agreeing with me??

Which is it??

The Bankers are not ideological anymore than they are patriotic - which is to say they are not.

All that matters is money and power. Money is the path to power. Power is the goal.

Wars, terrorism, financial tumult (booms and busts), social unrest, i.e. "crisis".

These things are tools to be used to achieve ends. They are planned in advance.

The bankers have almost complete control of all business today. In 1929 that was not the case.

The bankers are the seat of power - that is why the focus on them.

 

I couldn't give a damn about marxist-leninist or Communists are a total failure. Socialists? look at any other rich country or look at Bernie Sanders or anyone who supports him. my question to you is why are English-speaking countries unable to have socialist parties when everyone else can LOL? They have to call them social Democrats Democratic socialist labor liberal progressive etc etc. Why are English speakers so brainwashed with b*******?

 

You are locked into a prescribed, narrow, and very naive view of the world and history.

You certainly haven't been educated in classical liberalism and Americanism.

And BTW, as I pointed out to Langley, Harry Hopkins was a Soviet agent actively working to subvert the US.

You're on the wrong side here.

 

And they are English speakers. get it yet English speakers are brainwashed idiots on the subject. Every country that doesn't speak English has had socialist parties and they are what I describe. You were doing so well when you said socialists existed before the Cold war brainwash and since they will continue... And they will all be for democracy and workers and fairness. As soon as you say democracy is involved that lets out Communists and Nazis liars...

 

of course Harry Hopkins was not a Soviet agent. And the treaty of Versailles and the league of Nations were both ruined by the Republican party. Party first greedy idiots forever. And there misled followers

 

Yes all English speakers are brainwashed into opposition to socialism and conflating socialism and communism. Started with the English monopolists and continues in English speaking countries. English speaking countries don't have socialist or socialist party. The socialists in Germany France Scandinavia look like everybody else and don't fit your stereotypes. Meanwhile all Bernie Sanders wants is to be like Canada lol it's not that scary boys.

 

Liberals invented AI?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_intelligence

 

Consider the New Democratic Party in Canada.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Democratic_Party

Pssst. Most Canadians speak English.

 

At that point, Germany was trying to undermine Russia.

No, I disagree with you about capitalists "helping" socialists for any reason beyond naked self-interest?

Bankers aren't the only capitalists we're talking about.

I'm not so sure money isn't more important than power which depends upon an alliance with significant political allies.

You're mistaken if you think bankers are the most important players in the economy.

They're part of the crowd alright, but they aren't dominant.

AI, quantum computing, and big data will be game changers. I don't know who will be reaping the rewards.

 

I can agree with all those points without quibbling too much, except the one underlined by me.
eg, droughts (a cause of the Syrian crisis) and pandemics, cannot be planned....even if banksters turn them to their own advantage.

I love Thomas Paine:

"The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion".

Maybe, but that doesn't alter the extent of the existential alarm.....and goodwill...... that was a motivator in the creation of the League and the UN.

I suspect your brand of classical liberalism - expressed in "America first" - will lead to extinction.

 

Ever since I went to Canada in 1968 (born and raised in Southern California), I've been exposed to a strong New Democratic Party that vied for power in British Columbia. They formed government in the early 1970s.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Columbia_New_Democratic_Party

They form government at the present time.

Uh huh. Canada had the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation from the 1930s.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Co-operative_Commonwealth_Federation

It doesn't take anything other than living in Canada as an ordinary Canadian to know who the CCF were and what they believed and espoused.

Well, so much for your generalizations about English speaking countries.

I don't understand why you can't understand Marxist-Leninists have given socialism a bad name in some parts of the world.

Remember, I just finished telling you about Canadian socialists. Do you really think I don't know there are socialists other than Marxist-Leninists?

 

Marxist-leninists are not socialists. Communists are not socialists. Canada has never had a socialist party of any importance whatsoever. Neither have any other English-speaking countries. The brainwash is deep in English speaking countries. Give us some Churchill quotes now why don't you? Cooperative federalists are not socialists either. LOL.if they were called cooperative socialist they would not be socialists either. yes socialism has gotten a bad rap in right wing propaganda forever.

 

And that's why they don't know what socialists are. Decades and decades of garbage propaganda.meanwhile the non-english-speaking world have had socialist parties for a hundred years and they are not communist. They are always Democratic and that will never happen in a communist or marxist-leninist country.

 

Obviously Democrats are in the successful part of the country and Republicans are out in the country and in back Waters... Otherwise it's darn hard to be so misinformed....

 

my point is they don't call themselves socialists in English speaking countries. Thanks for backing me up. And it's because of decades of being the fortress of anti-communism and thus the center of conservative propaganda. Conflating communism and socialism being a big part of it.

 

In your opinion, they aren't. They advocate collective production and that at least puts them in the neighborhood.

Untrue. Socialists have formed government in many Canadian provinces and been involved in supporting minority federal governments.

Is there some reason for you being obnoxious?

I spent my time explaining about socialist parties in Canada and you got snotty and dismissed them as not having any importance. What do you know about Canada? Not much, I'm afraid.

 

Did you even glance at the link?

Can't admit you were wrong about Canada, can you?

 

Please try to make yourself clear.

At the end of the day, Silicon Valley will find the US Constitution an impediment and irrelevant. Nothing they do, frankly, enhances the foundational underpinnings of the United States, or if it does, explain how.

 

You're wrong. The NDP say they're socialists.

I'm not backing you up.

 

Socialist parties in Canada were never called socialist at least since the twenties.that is the whole point here. English speaking countries are brainwashed against the term socialist just like you. Socialism always includes at least some democracy. The USSR kept the secret that they were not Democrats at all. Do you need a diagram.? socialist is a bad word in the English speaking world with all the ridiculous connotations the brainwashed keep giving it. In the non-english-speaking world, socialism means always democratic fair capitalism with a good safety net and perhaps nationalization of healthcare or energy. It would be nice if you left behind the bologna right-wing propaganda. Churchill was a dyed-in-the-wool Savage capitalist tool of conflating the terms too... Ask a socialist for crying out loud. And not a lying communist Nazi or GOP or conservative master or dupe...

 

Oh yes you are. Let's have a link to the NDP saying they are socialist... It certainly is not in their name. That is the whole point here, the English-speaking world is confused totally about socialism because of their forever garbage conservative propaganda which I can see you spread throughout your career, monolingual misinformed... Try joining the 21st century.

 

What a bunch of babbling garbage propaganda. Let's have some evidence of their treason LOL

 

So tell me all about the socialist party in Canada lol.Canada and every other modern rich country have everything that Bernie Sanders wants and socialists want already. The United States is the only country in the modern world without a living wage health Care daycare paid parental leave cheap college and training great infrastructure and vacations and mainly taxing the rich and giant corporations their fair share. Because all of that is socialist and that means communist to so many. Absolute conservative idiocy. Besides this point I find you intelligent but get with the program as far as what socialist means and communist means. One is democratic and one isn't end of story.