Why elevate the legal status of the unborn above the born?

Which is the congresspeople, and not automatically all of the other Christian groups out there who are actually fighting and working to make things better for these groups, including helping them get onto these programs. They simply don't get the recognition and publicity that these congresspeople and anti welfare groups do.

 

Better look again. Right now, there is more risk of injury and death from pregnancy than there is from an abortion. That's not to say that most women are not willing to take that risk, but why should any woman be forced to?

Using the bodily resources of another without consent.

 

so where is this alleged 'force' supposed to be coming from?

 

There is birth control and contraception and things you can do right after having sex to avoid this in the first place that is the standard we place on men why do we treat women like they're not as smart as men?

 

Please don't conflate the salaries of the big mega churches with those of the average priest or minister. Unless you have something showing that the majority of clergy earn more than a middle class salary?

 

Do you know that? Do you know that those kids aren't actually 1 and 3-5 and number 2 was aborted?

 

Force of law. If abortion is illegal, and punishable as in the Texas law, then woman are being forced to gestate. I have no issues with social pressures. That is not force. Law is another story altogether.

 

You do realize that many of the anti-abortion crowd that are proposing laws are also excluding those "things you can do right after having sex", right? Not to mention other BC such as IUDs, and even BC pills in some cases.

 

Yeah but that's not really a serious issue anybody has to worry about. The only thing people really make a fuss about is abortion. It's really it's abortion after a certain point.

I am managing a few Catholics will complain about contraceptives but they don't matter they're not ever going to get what they want.

 

I don't know why anyone (Anti-Choicers) treats women as if they are not as smart as men....maybe they should quit trying to control women's reproductive choices as if they think women aren't as smart as men...

 

I support 4 choices so you must not be talking about me. Odd you quoted me.

 

Maquiscat , you screwed up Post 80 and made your words look like mine.

And why TF would you need to do that ? To pick more irrelevant nits? Good GAWD, isn't this list enough too show gestation isn't a walk in the park?? Want to volunteer?

EVERY woman facing pregnancy faces this:


Normal, frequent or expectable temporary side effects of pregnancy:

• exhaustion (weariness common from first weeks)
• altered appetite and senses of taste and smell
• nausea and vomiting (50% of women, first trimester)
• heartburn and indigestion
• constipation
• weight gain
• dizziness and light-headedness
• bloating, swelling, fluid retention
• hemmorhoids
• abdominal cramps
• yeast infections
• congested, bloody nose
• acne and mild skin disorders
• skin discoloration (chloasma, face and abdomen)
• mild to severe backache and strain
• increased headaches
• difficulty sleeping, and discomfort while sleeping
• increased urination and incontinence
• bleeding gums
• pica
• breast pain and discharge
• swelling of joints, leg cramps, joint paininfection including from serious and potentially fatal disease
  (pregnant women are immune suppressed compared with non-pregnant women, and are more susceptible to fungal and certain other diseases)
• extreme pain on delivery
• hormonal mood changes, including normal post-partum depression
• continued post-partum exhaustion and recovery period (exacerbated if a c-section -- major surgery -- is required, sometimes taking up to a full year to fully recover)

Normal, expectable, or frequent PERMANENT side effects of pregnancy:

• stretch marks (worse in younger women)
• loose skin
• permanent weight gain or redistribution
• abdominal and vaginal muscle weakness
• pelvic floor disorder (occurring in as many as 35% of middle-aged former child-bearers and 50% of elderly former child-bearers, associated with urinary and rectal incontinence, discomfort and reduced quality of life -- aka prolapsed utuerus, the malady sometimes badly fixed by the transvaginal mesh)
• changes to breasts
• increased foot size
• varicose veins
• scarring from episiotomy or c-section
• other permanent aesthetic changes to the body (all of these are downplayed by women, because the culture values youth and beauty)
• increased proclivity for hemmorhoids
• loss of dental and bone calcium (cavities and osteoporosis)
• higher lifetime risk of developing Altzheimer's
• newer research indicates microchimeric cells, other bi-directional exchanges of DNA, chromosomes, and other bodily material between fetus and mother (including with "unrelated" gestational surrogates)

Occasional complications and side effects:

• complications of episiotomy
• spousal/partner abuse
• hyperemesis gravidarum
• temporary and permanent injury to back
• severe scarring requiring later surgery
  (especially after additional pregnancies)
• dropped (prolapsed) uterus (especially after additional pregnancies, and other pelvic floor weaknesses -- 11% of women, including cystocele, rectocele, and enterocele)
• pre-eclampsia (edema and hypertension, the most common complication of pregnancy, associated with eclampsia, and affecting 7 - 10% of pregnancies)
• eclampsia (convulsions, coma during pregnancy or labor, high risk of death)
• gestational diabetes
• placenta previa
• anemia (which can be life-threatening)
• thrombocytopenic purpura
• severe cramping
• embolism (blood clots)
• medical disability requiring full bed rest (frequently ordered during part of many pregnancies varying from days to months for health of either mother or baby)
• diastasis recti, also torn abdominal muscles
• mitral valve stenosis (most common cardiac complication)
• serious infection and disease (e.g. increased risk of tuberculosis)
• hormonal imbalance
• ectopic pregnancy (risk of death)
• broken bones (ribcage, "tail bone")
• hemorrhage and
• numerous other complications of delivery
• refractory gastroesophageal reflux disease
• aggravation of pre-pregnancy diseases and conditions (e.g. epilepsy is present in .5% of pregnant women, and the pregnancy alters drug metabolism and treatment prospects all the while it increases the number and frequency of seizures)
• severe post-partum depression and psychosis
• research now indicates a possible link between ovarian cancer and female fertility treatments, including "egg harvesting" from infertile women and donors
• research also now indicates correlations between lower breast cancer survival rates and proximity in time to onset of cancer of last pregnancy
• research also indicates a correlation between having six or more pregnancies and a risk of coronary and cardiovascular disease

Less common (but serious) complications:

• peripartum cardiomyopathy
• cardiopulmonary arrest
• magnesium toxicity
• severe hypoxemia/acidosis
• massive embolism
• increased intracranial pressure, brainstem infarction
• molar pregnancy, gestational trophoblastic disease
  (like a pregnancy-induced cancer)
• malignant arrhythmia
• circulatory collapse
• placental abruption
• obstetric fistula

More permanent side effects:

• future infertility
• permanent disability
• death."""""""""""""""""""

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
I don't know why anyone (Anti-Choicers) treats women as if they are not as smart as men....maybe they should quit trying to control women's reproductive choices as if they think women aren't as smart as men...

YOU brought up those who don't think women are as smart as men, YOU.


And just your patronizing , " I support four choices" shows you think women aren't smart enough to think for themselves and make their own choices.....

If you thought they are as smart as men ( a very low standard) then you would just butt out and let them alone..

 

BTW, what is this mystical, mythical, never seen

"""standard we place on men".....???

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
Republican congresspeople continually fight to cut funding to Welfare, WIC, SNAP and other entities that aid CHILDREN....they have a history of it.

Righties are the ones who scream about their taxes going to Welfare to care for CHILDREN.

Yes, congresspeople whose JOB it is to take care of Americans, all of them....not just the wealthy..

Charities canNOT take care of all the people who need help...

Nothing you posted refutes my post.

 

because you don't.

 

If you don't want to be a father think before you act.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
I don't know why anyone (Anti-Choicers) treats women as if they are not as smart as men....maybe they should quit trying to control women's reproductive choices as if they think women aren't as smart as men...



YOU brought up those who don't think women are as smart as men, YOU.

Just a baseless, proofless, allegation because you have no other argument

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
BTW, what is this mystical, mythical, never seen

"""standard we place on men".....???

And how has that been working for the last 10,000 years ???

Hint: not too well ....seems not many men knew about this mythical "standard"

 

What does a man have to do if he doesn't want to be a father?

 

Well seems it actually works for me I'm not a father.

How am I able to do that it must be magic

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
I don't know why anyone (Anti-Choicers) treats women as if they are not as smart as men....maybe they should quit trying to control women's reproductive choices as if they think women aren't as smart as men...



YOU brought up those who don't think women are as smart as men, YOU.




Just a baseless, proofless, allegation because you have no other argument

Not have sex or use a condom , a system that OBVIOUSLY doesn't always work well for HUMANS, male or female.

And what TF does that have to do with the post of mine you quoted ?....nothing..

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
BTW, what is this mystical, mythical, never seen

"""standard we place on men".....???


And how has that been working for the last 10,000 years ???

Hint: not too well ....seems not many men knew about this mythical "standard"

And I have the entire history of the world to prove my point...your argument certainly pales in comparison since YOU are NOT the only person on earth ( SURPRISE!!).

I doubt "magic" had anything to do with it.....I don't know, maybe you have to have sex first

 

Your strawman arguments aren't relevant.