Why has Science Become Politicized?

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by MDG045, Apr 25, 2017.

  1. Ricky

    Ricky Active Member

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    No, I am not kidding. The industrialization of Africa poses a great existential threat to civilization.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Evolution is just a theory? Wrong it is an accepted scientific theory which is far far different than turmp having a "theory" that immigrants are all murderers, drug dealers and rapists. this lack of understanding in the lay community of exactly what a scientific theory is as opposed to a scientific law as opposed to a scientific hypothesis is perhaps understandable, but it does nothing to contribute to meaningful debate/dialogue.

    The theory of relativity, the theory of the big bang, the theory of evolution, ALL of them have followed the typical scientific evolution, not only describing processes, adhering to mathematical laws, making successful predictions and without discovering any CONTRADICTORY scientific evidence.

    If it wasn't for those scientific theories, we wouldn't have the technological civilization we currently enjoy.
     
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    Minimum letality for satin gas is 35 mgs per cubic meter, a standard room 3 m by 3m by 2.5 m. Were it equally spread as CO2 is in the atmosphere you'd need 22.5x35mg to reach a lethal concentration.
     
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    Or not.
     
  5. Meta777

    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    Which is under the 0.07 parts per million you said you'd be willing to breath in.
    https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/ershdb/emergencyresponsecard_29750001.html
    Were you meaning to suggest that you didn't mind dying by poison gas or something?
    As it currently stands, I don't see what other sort of point you could possibly be making...

    -Meta
     
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    Funny math there look at the decimal point.
     
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    I did.....I figured your omission of the decimal point in your 35 mgs per cubic meter figure was simply a typo on your part.
    Since that would put it somewhat in line with what the CDC states.
    Are you suggesting that you actually wrote it that way on purpose?
    If so, then the CDC disagrees with you. Again, check out the table a little over mid way down this page:
    https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/ershdb/emergencyresponsecard_29750001.html
    I suppose I can post it here too if you really need me to...

    -Meta
     
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    ffs carbon isnt sarin. a 100% O2 atmosphere can kill you, doesnt mean O2 is 'bad'.
    the liklihood that carbon emissions will doom us all is just as high as the liklihood that they are being used to deindustrialize and control us. we can argue all day about em and get nowhere... which is probably the design. while we debate carbon, the establishment feeding us bullshit data about it from both sides syphons our tax money to disconnected elite who are building bunker kingdoms and drone armies and would like to see most of us dead or enslaved. there is a breakaway civilization rapidly gobbling up control of our resources and our perceived moral authority while we bicker. just wanted to interject some perspective...
    we need to take our economy, our scientific community and our government back before we'll ever be able to do the 'right thing' (or even figure out what that is) about carbon.
     
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    CO2 is now poisonous as Sarin Gas? WOW!
     
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    Depends. Saying something that is untrue, and trying to pass it off as opinion is the Queen Mary of ridiculous arguments.

    "A banana is a mammal."
    "No, It is not"
    "It is my opinion".
     
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    Maybe a new ice age eh?
     
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    What the hell is not politicized these days? Our society is insane thanks to partisan politics, hence even science gets drawn in if it happens to be cited as the basis for any political action. We can't address basic reality effectively when our government and ourselves are so paralyzed by in-fighting, automatically rejecting anything said by anyone on the opposite "team." We should be able to address things like climate change in an effective manner, but lately that only seems possible when the Democrats gain control. There is too much political extremism going on, and Trump embodies that. He is very extreme, at least going by his rhetoric, and lately we've seen him and his corporate swamp monsters attack previous efforts to combat climate change, and even the EPA itself, because millions of Americans have been deluded by corporate propaganda and party ideology.
     
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    No, but the effects of particles has absolutely nothing to do with how many table spoons you can pull out of a swimming pool.
     
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    nobody is arguing that the problem with CO2 is that it will kill people breathing it
     
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    Like the monkey trial depicted in Inherit the Wind.......
     
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    Why on earth is anyone even attempting to claim this? The issue with CO2 is that it has the potential to turn Earth into Venus, not that it might poison those breathing it. Good grief.
     
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    Think for a moment about the vast human population vis a vis the far smaller industrial machine. Who contributes more, Africa or South America? Russia or Canada. Ever try to frame it that way?
     
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    What difference to me can evolution make?
     
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    So many blame man. What is Man doing to Mars given it's ice caps are vanishing fairly fast?
     
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    You're the one who compared the two. Do you wish to retract that now?
     
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    Well that is amusing. He was illustrating the amount of Carbon Dioxide. Not that it is dangerous in almost zero amount.

    We exist on a world that compared to hit's history, has very small amounts of CO2 today.

    We know that temperatures lag behind the gas amounts so it is not to be blamed for warming earth.
     
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    Your site speaks of planetary warming. I spoke just of the ice caps. Do you know that Skeptical science is an amateur operated site? Why yes, yes you knew that. The leader has a degree in communication.
     
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    As long as we all understand the actual issue with CO2 in our atmosphere, whatevs.
     
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    When you first heard of carbon dioxide being this "magical gas" did you even bother to question it? Or did you just accept the argument from authority where the authority was a politician?

    Why was Al Gore more credible than James Inhofe?

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ange-once-and-for-all/?utm_term=.f8c7d9afae11

     

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