Why I am a libertarian, and you should be too

Yes, but that's a pretty extreme decision to have to take....choosing not to live in your country anymore.

And businesses can be taxed twice...by the country they move too and any product the ship in.

A business sick of high tax rates in California, can choose to resettle in Oklahoma for instance..or Texas.. Many Governors have strategies to sell their states to draw business and jobs.

A system based on local, State and federal laws works well on a local, state and federal level. I can move out of one city to another one that's only 10 miles away. Or I can say screw it and move to mexico.

 

It isnt my place to decide or elect not to follow the constitution. In my opinion, it's a superb document that was years advanced when drafted.

It can always be amended, but the process is not easy intentionally.

 

As you know perfectly well, I never quoted the OP; and of course the post I initially responded to contained no reference to federalism, implicit or explicit.

There might be a trace of color for such whining had you not resorted to it only after I'd already exposed your defense of license over liberty as intellectually and morally bankrupt.

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More to the point, you're under no obligation to respond; yet here you are. Go figure.

Depends on who's asking. An American citizen can live a perfectly good life heedless of the Constitution, as excepting the thirteenth amendment, nothing in it constrains private parties. OTOH, federal and state officers damn well better listen to it, as they all take an oath to do so.

Since that can only refer to the People as represented by a supermajority of states, the only possible answer is that God says the proposed amendment is against His law.

Because We the People say they should, and God has no objection.

Defense against microbes wasn't on anyone's radar in 1787, and no one has found a reason to explicitly empower the federal gov't - thus increasing the threat to individual liberties - to defend America against microbes.

 

I'm still not seeing how this brings us to Libertarianism. It seems to me more or less any political system could be defended like that, or at least the ones that often end up governing the US. If a communist said "it's not my place to decide not to follow Stalin", do you think that would be a good argument to do so? I would assume not. So how come you bring this angle up in this case?

 

I'll go with the supreme Court, not misinformed GOP voters which is what libertarians are mainly. on the other hand I am totally in favor of the libertarian party taking away Republican votes LOL...

 

You want me to defend my political leanings as limited government by defending the constitution?

No thanks. I don't want to play.

 

Way to be a partisan extremist.

The SC is balanced against the powers of these other branches as well. They don't get to legislate. However, if you want to play this game, please provide the SC ruling that allowed the feds to operate outside their limitations of power.

 

Well, I want you to defend them in the way that you believe them. When I asked why you defended limited government, you pointed to the constitution.

 

Nah. No thanks.

I'm not going to play the game of answering questions like "why do you support the constitution".

 

No. Just no. Both parties are in favor of a government that limits freedoms. The distinction is in which freedoms they cherish and which they attack.

 

All such things have been approved by the supreme Court....

 

Both parties, except the Democrats LOL. but thanks for the war on drugs and the war on choice of all kinds by the GOP....

 

Democrats want the government to run the economy, and are against free speech & the second amendment. Again - both parties want to limit my freedoms.

 

Ok. Show me the ruling that gives the authority of the Department of Education any authority of schools.

The ploy is this. Collect federal income taxes, leverage federal credit, and then withhold that funding to the states that dont want to comply.

Here is how the department continues to usurp control unchallenged.

https://www2.ed.gov/about/overview/fed/role.html

 

There is literally no point to a federal school system. It's stupid. All it does is empower the people who work FOR us, using OUR money, to ensure the states are slave to the machine.

 

Bologna. The Democrats want them to pay their fair share in taxes and not pollute. Are for free speech -you believe a lot of garbage propaganda. They're not against the second amendment -they are for background checks and no more military style weapons sales. There are plenty of them already. Back to hunting and personal defense

 

I'm certainly not going to bother doing that. Everything that has been controversial has been ruled upon by the supreme Court- get with it. We have a great government the Constitution is wonderful. Too bad you're totally full of baloney as a the GOP voter I'm assuming. GOP propaganda machine is the most dangerous thing I've ever seen. Phony scandals hate misinformation and conspiracy theories. Wonderful. Great job!

 

They are trying to pass laws that refusal to call someone zhe or zhim is illegal. They want to abolish the second amendment, which says nothing about hunting. They want to steal more of my money so that people who have expensive cell phones and air jordan's can get free food, because they aren't willing to go couch diving for change to get a pack of ramen while awaiting their next paycheck like many of us did.

Free **** for everyone who doesn't want to make the sacrifice isn't freedom.

 

Why not? The source of authority is often the central question when political ideologies.

If your reasoning for supporting the constitution is that it is a good document, then it would stand to reason that you could reject it if a better one came along, meaning that there is some underlying measure of goodness that you're not telling us. If your reasoning is that it is the law of the land, or the fundamental document of the nation, then it is arbitrary, and for instance people born in North Korea could use the same kind of reasoning to justify a terrible system.

I'm assuming the former, and that leaves that reasoning open to debate. Libertarians often refer to individual freedoms, but as per my previous arguments, it doesn't seem to have so much to do with the individual, since if the individual has to endure the same problems but the source is different, they suddenly are not so important.

I ask why you support the constitution because I want to know what you value in an idea. If the value you see is just blind devotion to the document, then that's not really a good argument. To assess whether your argument is good, I want to see if your values are consistent, or if you apply them when they suit you only, which would be hypocrisy.

 

We used to call them the unfortunate. Mario Cuomo said Ronald Reagan made blaming the poor acceptable. Everyone wants to have a good job. Unfortunately all we have to offer them or crap GOP $8 an hour bullshit jobs, and of course training and education for the good tech jobs is too expensive now. Great job! At least the rich are doing great...

 

Your first sentence is gibberish and I have no idea what you're saying.

 

Except it hasn't.

We should really try following it.

And here comes the personal slander and partisan hackery because you have ran out of logic.

Nothing in the constitution gives authority of the fed to create a department of education and then withhold State provided federal funding for non-compliance. Originally, the Dept. of Ed was create to assist local municipalities and states develop their schools. Now its used to institute programs like No Child Left behind using federal funds to control schools financially. That is a violation of the Constitution.

Speak to that, and leave all your snide personal attacks out of it.

 

I don't have the arrogance to believe that myself nor others could draft a document that serves a better function than the current constitution. The foundation of the document was drafted with the means of amending it. There is zero reason to simply toss it out and start over. That is what countries that end up in turmoil do who don't want to play by the rules. Our current political environment would be incapable of drafting a new document that better serves our country than the current document. In short, I don't believe there is any possibility of betterment.

 

The supreme Court has approved everything that you're babbling about. The supreme Court has said that we are following the Constitution. Take your conspiracy theories and garbage misinformation with you.....

 

The supreme Court has approved all this crap one way or another. Maybe your politicized right wing supreme Court will change it back. That's the way it goes.unfortunately these days it will be based on GOP misinformation and crap propaganda if they do.do you have an example of the terrible things that department of education has done?