Why I am against Abortion

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by MDG045, Apr 17, 2017.

  1. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    Yes...and if abortion is ever made illegal (it won't be) then that's the next step to making women nothing more than cattle..
     
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    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not always!
    The San Francisco Bay area had a Florence Crittenton Home that seemed pretty decent. circa 1972
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Florence_Crittenton_Mission
    Certainly abuses occurred but, I believe they have reformed to current PC.
    They are not all on the Irish Model ;)

    Moi :oldman:

    r > g


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    Across an immense, unguarded, ethereal border, Canadians, cool and unsympathetic,
    regard our America with envious eyes and slowly and surely draw their plans against us.

     
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    Daniel Light Well-Known Member

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    Here's one of the big problems with deciding that any fertilized egg is a person - the majority of fertilized eggs do NOT reach the point of of development where they get to see the light of day. They are lost to miscarriages, most in the first few weeks. IF you give these fertilized eggs legal status, then anything the mother does during pregnancy that may result in an increased chance of miscarriage CAN be deemed to be man-slaughter or child endangerment.

    Studies show that women who exercise regularly have a 5% higher chance of miscarriage. Women who climb stairs have a higher chance of miscarriage. Working long hours increases the risk of miscarriage. Poor diet can result in miscarriages. So we have a higher risk of death to the "baby" if a woman is poor or hard working. Where will we draw the line at child endangerment?

    This was one of the major factors in the Supreme Court's decision - that the enforcement of anti-abortion laws were biased against the poor and basically unenforceable in any type of equitable way. The poor went to jail and the rich went on "vacation".
     
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    It is illegal to murder babies. Nobody is campaigning to have that changed.
     
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    Ok here's where you should stop and exit a debate with a pro life person or even pro choice individuals that have a brain.theres no point in continuing the debate if you can't comprehend that it's a human... if you do not believe that when a woman becomes pregnant that means she is now carrying a human I suggest you take a biology class or sit in on a high school sex Ed class.

    Does the developmental stage change a persons value or the basic fact that it is a human?? Does a 1 month old have less right to live than a 1 year old. Does a 4 year old have more rights to life than a small baby?

    No because developmental stage of humans does not determine a humans worth or protection under the law. This same logic holds true with the unborn.
     
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    Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy when you consider the statistical chance of pregnancy from any single act of intercourse. It becomes even more absurd to assume sex is consent to pregnancy when you factor in birth control or prophylaxis.

    What you are saying is driving at 2 am is consenting to be hit by a drunk driver because there is a chance it would happen.
     
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    so why do you want to murder babies through abortions.
     
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    MDG045 Active Member

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    really. How? how is a fetus not legally a person. Give me evidence.
     
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    Actually, this is how logic works. what I said was what is called in logic a "if then" statement. for example, If I have sex, then I am taking the risk of getting pregnant. This is what's called a valid argument because if people do have sex, then yes they do run the risk of getting pregnant.

    by the way, driving at 2 am does mean that you run the risk of getting hit by a drunk driver. I am not saying that that makes the drunk driver right, but it does mean you run the risk. So thanks for proving my point for me.
     
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    how?
     
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    No babies are involved in a legal abortion
     
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    A person is whatever we say it is. It is a legal construct
     
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    How?
     
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    How what? No babies are involved in a legal abortion. That's how
     
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    so by that logic, if I don't think you are a person I can kill you right now. Or if IDK, people hypothetically don't think black people are people then it's ok to take them as slaves or property. Nice logic.
     
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    yeah, but you say no babies are involved in legal abortion, I am asking how? as in give me evidence.
     
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    That is the truth. PETA claims animals should have the rights of persons. Do you agree?
     
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    How do I prove a negative. No potatoes are involved in a legal abortion. How do I prove that?
     
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    no because animals aren't human beings. But a fetus is, so what's your point.
     
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    You claim no babies are killed in a legal abortion, and I am asking you to give me evidence to prove to me that it is not a living human baby that is being killed. It's called the burden of proof. You make claim and I ask for evidence.
     
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    But a fetus is brain dead and thus has no right to life
     
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    yeah but I could have a adult uncle that's brain dead, but that doesn't make him any less of a human being, so what is your point.
     
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    It is a fetus.....not a baby. They are not the same thing
     
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    That uncle can be terminated by his next of kin. Same thing happens in abortion
     
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    fe·tus
    [ˈfēdəs]

    NOUN
    fetuses
    (plural noun) · foetus (noun) · foetuses (plural noun)
    1. an unborn offspring of a mammal, in particular an unborn human baby more than eight weeks after conception.

    ok fine, but still, just because it is a fetus, doesn't make it any less of a human being.
     
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