Why i no longer believe in God

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  1. cupid dave

    cupid dave Well-Known Member

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    Hmmm,...
    Daniel seemed to know about Europe which was to come.

    Daniel 7: 7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, (Rome), dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth (of short iron swords): it devoured (all the Western World), and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it, (i.e.; the ten toes of the European Nations comprising it): and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns (of political powers to come:
    1. Undivided Empire: Diocletian: [to 305 AD],
    2. Western Roman Empire: Romulus Augustus: [to 476 AD],
    3. Eastern Christian Roman, Byzantine Empire: [1453 AD]
    4. Charlemagne, [800 - 1000 AD]
    5. Holy Roman Empire, [1200 AD-1492 AD]
    6. Italy: Renaissance: [16th century]
    7. Spain, [17th century]
    8. France, [18th-19th Century]
    9. Britain, [19th-20th century]
    10. Nazi Germany, [20th century])

    Dan 7:8 I considered the (ten) horns, and, behold, there came up, (in 616AD), among them (an eleventh), another little horn, (Islam), before whom there were, (had been), three of the first (10) horns, (Undivided Empire: Diocletian: [305AD]; Western Roman Empire: [to 476 AD]; and Eastern Roman: Byzantine Empire, [to 1453 AD]), and plucked up by the roots (Eastern Roman Orthodox Christian Byzantine Empire at the hands of this Ottoman Empire): and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, (beginning with the great seer, the Prophet Mohammed), and a mouth, (The Koran), speaking great things, (speaking them, because Mohammed could not write).
     
  2. Incorporeal

    Incorporeal Well-Known Member

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    Seven Hundred Seventy Seven what in Vegas?
     
  3. Individual

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    I have stopped believing in the Christian god. That does not mean that I have stopped believing in a god. I do not reject the idea of a creator or the idea of a supreme being who will be with us in the afterlife. I do believe I have soul. I do believe my soul will outlive my body.

    It was the altered Bibles that first cracked the beliefs I had been raised with. Clearly, there is no magic spell or supreme being who protects the word written in the Bible. It is just a book. As a book, it can be changed by anybody at any time for any reason. It can be changed in an effort to get churchgoers to support their political party and there is no supernatural force that will protect the Bible from these changes.

    But just because the god of the Bible has been proved false does not mean there is not a god at all. Perhaps the Creator knew what kind of mess we would make of religion and chose to remain concealed because of it. Perhaps the Creator doesn't hate us because we don't follow a ridiculous set of rules that no one who ever lived could follow. Perhaps the Creator just wants us to do the best we can and will still take us to an afterlife paradise even if we don't hate gay people and vote Republican.

    The god in the Bible was unable to keep the Republicans from taking over his church. He clearly lacks any power whatsoever. This does not mean there is no god.
     
  4. Micketto

    Micketto New Member Past Donor

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    No interest in a 90 minute video, or arguing with you, but I'd hardly equate 7DAs to Christianity.
    They're about as non-cult as Mormons and JWs.

    As a born-again Christian, I have to say I'm glad you don't believe in the God the 7DAs have created.



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  5. ARDY

    ARDY Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What in the world gave you the idea that i want to argue with you, or force you to watch the video.... Which you comment upon without watching?
     
  6. Durandal

    Durandal Well-Known Member Donor

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    It only "seems to" when you insert whatever you like (in parentheses) to make it say what you want it to say (the Book of Daniel in particular, as it happens here). It is not logical to assume that Daniel is referring to anything taking place after it was written.
     
  7. jrr777

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    Actually the beast that had a great wound and was healed is America. Rome fell from the great wound and was healed through America. "Who could make war against the beast". In my research and opinion this beast is America. For who could make war against America.
     
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    e^(pi * i) + 1 = 0

    Euler's identity unites algebra, complex numbers and calculus, he himself thought that his equation was so perfect that it proved the existence of God.
     
  9. Durandal

    Durandal Well-Known Member Donor

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    Actually, that too is interpolation. You're taking very non-specific imagery and applying it to the modern world as you see fit, and in an America-centric way no less.

    The author had no clue about any of that. Rome might well have been involved in Daniel's "visions," but then again it may not have been. But America sure wasn't! And neither was Europe as we know it today. In fact, writers of biblical texts were by all appearances entire ignorant of the world beyond their little place in it. They were concerned with Israel and their immediate, contemporary neighbors.
     
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    The book of revelations, God told John to write these visions down. God let John see what is to come. When John says that in the end times man's tongue and eyes shall melt in their places, what is it that you think will cause this? Is it wormwood, or is it about 50 to 100 nuclear bombs going off? And the locust that will have the sting of a scorpion, this to me is a vision he seen of a fighter jet or apache helicopter, with the missile being the sting of a scorpion, and the locust being the aircraft. He had no words for these vision's, there was no such thing back then. Any prophet or disciple of God or Jesus is only speaking the word of God. God knew who to pick to make sure his word would stay true.
     
  11. Durandal

    Durandal Well-Known Member Donor

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    Bad drug trip, probably.
     
  12. jrr777

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    I'm sure you have already heard this but I'll say it anyway. If you don't believe in God, he still believes in you. If you have ever loved someone, and they tell you that they do not love you. The sinking and sadness in your heart, is the same feeling God has of you.
     
  13. Durandal

    Durandal Well-Known Member Donor

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    Hmm. Fascinating. Another attempt to encourage belief in an absurd claim on an emotional rather than a factual, logical, reasonable basis.
     
  14. jrr777

    jrr777 Well-Known Member

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    Your vanity of your so called education is what is absurd. Tell me your facts of God not existing.
     
  15. Durandal

    Durandal Well-Known Member Donor

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    Tell me your facts of the Flying Spaghetti Monster not existing.
     
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    You read that incorrectly. I said I have no interest in arguing with you. Meaning I wasn't trying to challenge you on anything.
    I simply suggested the 7DAs are certainly not a good group to learn from if there is an important decision about God in the balance.
    You brought them up, not I.

    And I didn't comment on any video anywhere in my post.

    I only commented because I felt bad if this change of heart of yours, was based on that cult.
     
  17. Gelecski7238

    Gelecski7238 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    According to the works of Tom Campbell, Our space-time reality is a construct of consciousness that provides structure and logical consistency. It is only our temporary home, a kindergarten playground for individual infant units of consciousness.
     
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    Ouch. Such biting realism. The Rothchilds created that pivotal mess of conflict, and if we let such influences have their way, they'll keep doing it on an ever larger scale.
     
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    Alright. The blame now has been shifted away from the Christians and is placed on a particular private family group. It is all the fault of this one private family out of all the families in the world. That is an amazing discovery on your part. Where did you possibly gather all the information which led to such a conclusion?

    I googled the question "what religion is the rothschild family?" and this is the result:
    "
    Jewish

    By denying Jews the stability of property ownership, Christians unwittingly forced Jews of the day into great financial expertise. The greatest of these financial adepts was Mayer Amschel Rothschild, born in 1744 in a Jewish slum of Frankfurt.May 22, 2012"
     
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    Phoebe Bump New Member

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    How can you either believe or not believe in something that has not come close to being understood, let alone defined? Are you God? I ask that because maybe you are God. Maybe I am, too. Anybody who pretends to know the answers to those questions (all the prophets, priests, rabbis, mullahs, gurus, shamans,etc) down through history are on the wrong track and are well-meaning (maybe) tool bags.
     
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    Let alone defined? We can start with the most basic of definitions: the Creator of the universe and everything in it.
     
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    The Creator of the cosmos sets himself up for disappointment caused by the ignorance of small parts of himself. Imagine that.
     

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