Why is Corporate America Saying 'Black Lives Matter’ Now?

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  1. Reiver

    Reiver Well-Known Member

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    I haven't called you a fascist. I have just acknowledged that you have adopted fascist trope. Now you should be free to spread such diseased thinking. That's your prerogative. However, this forum does suffer because of it. Society deserves more informed debate.
     
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    Reiver Well-Known Member

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    You brought up Hitler. I merely acknowledged how you have fascist trope and nothing more. Indeed, when asked for evidence to support your opinion, you couldn't. That's expected in fascist trope.
     
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    We time traveling now to fix things?

    Cause if so screw racial division I’m going all Biff and getting a Sports Almanac and getting stupid rich!

    Or how about we just not repeat stupid mistakes again?

    You are advocating racial practices and justifying them with previous racial practices. i.e. revenge..

    That is not going to work.
     
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    Exactly correct.
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    To answer the thread question, they are doing it because many white people in this country and people all over the world have gone protesting with the black folk, in the spirit of recognizing brutal police tactics.

    Corporations have many black employees in command positions, and everybody is understanding the spirit of the moment, if not the time. As a fan, I'm happy the NFL has essentially apologized in public to Kaepernick, acknowledging that he has been right and moral since the beginning.
     
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    Or, just maybe, it was an awakening. Previously apathetic are hearing the message. They're getting the message. They are understanding better. And they want to be a part of the progress.

    Or, they could be just cashing in on a 'trend'. I hope its the former.
     
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    So you're admitting that ignoring 'race base division' did not generate racial unity?

    Good point well made, if that's the case. I knew you had it in you.
     
  8. Josh77

    Josh77 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I posted a couple articles. Youve given me nothing but leftist propaganda.
     
  9. Reiver

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    Hahahaha! I asked for evidence. Can you show, for example, that racial segregation doesn't exist? If so, post the doi

    It will involve more work than just giving a fascist trope mind you.
     
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    no personal attack here. just a description of the pattern of your behavior
     
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    Josh77 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It definitely exists, because blacks are constantly segregating themselves. It is self imposed.
     
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    There was no argument. It was personal. It was also a lie. Full house!!!!
     
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    It's exactly what you do. I looked at some of your other posts. You just go in and call everyone with opposing views as having fascist viewpoints.
     
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    So you ignore the evidence into racial segregation. And you also argue that any problem is black generated. Evidence for that as you dig deeper in the fascist trope?
     
  15. Reiver

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    Think now. I don't actually think you've thought about fascism. You're coming out with a fascist trope because you haven't thought.
     
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    others have made the same observation, sorry the truth hurts
     
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    Show me your evidence.
     
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    For what? Be clear. Be accurate. Consider, for example, how I asked for evidence over your South African comment and you ran off. Be clear what you want!
     
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    Right wingers herd? God bless you for your accuracy
     
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    Fascism: "Fascists believe that liberal democracy is obsolete and regard the complete mobilization of society under a totalitarian one-party state as necessary to prepare a nation for armed conflict and to respond effectively to economic difficulties. Such a state is led by a strong leader—such as a dictator and a martial government composed of the members of the governing fascist party—to forge national unity and maintain a stable and orderly society. Fascism rejects assertions that violence is automatically negative in nature and views political violence, war, and imperialism as means that can achieve national rejuvenation. Fascists advocate a mixed economy, with the principal goal of achieving autarky (national economic self-sufficiency) through protectionist and interventionist economic policies."
     
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    Fascism is a jampot of joviality because of its multiple definitions. To highlight its right wing nature, however, there are several elements we can refer to. I'd first refer to Keserich's definition of fascism as 'the reactionary and terroristic dictatorship of finance capital'. I'd then describe how fascism is incompatible with socialist political economy. Zanden (1960, American Journal of Economics and Sociology, Vol 19, pp 399-411) is a good source. First, the movement is characterised by anti-intellectualism ('obedience, discipline, faith and a religious belief in the cardinal tenets of the Fascist creed are put forth as the supreme values of a perfect Fascist. Individual thinking along independent lines is discouraged. What is wanted is not brains, daring ideas, or speculative faculties, but character pressed in the mold of Fascism'). That is closer to a worship of alienation. Second, we have the belief in the distribution of innate ability (i.e. the Theory of the Elites where those with a natural talent for ruling rule over the masses). A socialist, on the other hand, appreciates the destructiveness of class. Third, we have a reaction against democracy: 'the mass of men is created to be governed and not to govern; is created to be led and not to lead, and is created, finally, to be slaves and not masters: slaves of their animal instincts, their physiological needs, their emotions, and their passions'. That ain't participatory socialism! Fourth, we have 'fascism is in its broadest meaning a revolt against the modern age, against democratisation, secularisation and internationalism'. That is conservatism! Fifth, we have corporatism where fascism is defined as 'a system of political and economic decision-making based on the representation of organised interest groups in government' (Sarti).

    More importantly, why did you give fascist trope and not apologise when you realised your error?
     
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    Show me evidence of American society enforcing segregation against blacks, from society as a whole, not from some racist neo confederate organization.
     
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    You want evidence of continued racial segregation? Its used repeatedly in the academic research; e.g. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/article-abstract/2728454

    Why don't you know the evidence? Why do you give a fascist trope and, when asked for evidence, dodge? Think!
     
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    So, none of what you posted lines up with my beliefs. A lot of it lines up with BLM however.

    And I didn't give any fascist trope.
     
  25. Reiver

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    You have given fascist trope. You need to realise that. You will then grow and hopefully become an anti-fascist. Logic dictates.
     

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