Why is the Right rising in Europe but dying in the US?

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  1. Taxcutter

    Taxcutter New Member

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    Let's revisit this question in November.
     
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    Casper Banned at Members Request Past Donor

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    Because Americans have already experienced what being as disruptive as possible leads to, government inaction and shutdown, the lowering of the Nations credit rating, and an economy that is moving at a snails pace due to businesses being uncertain of the government being able to do their own job. Not to mention the fact that most Americans know what the right means when they say they want less government, it does not mean they want smaller government it simply means they want social programs cut in a major way, or cut out completely, and the continued false belief that giving the rich more tax breaks somehow helps the average worker in America or the false belief that if we remove all EPA regulations businesses will do the right thing when it comes to worker saftey and the environment. Oh and let's not forget their fixation on what others are doing in the privacy of their own home and wanting more laws to govern our personal behavior and their idea that descrimination against select groups is following the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, even if it means writting Ammendments to the Constitution to actually deny some people the same rights and benefits that they themselves enjoy. There is a long list of reasons why Right-Wing Idiology is not taking off in the USA, Americans have already experienced firsthand what their agenda and tactics bring us as a society.
     
  3. Lil Mike

    Lil Mike Well-Known Member

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    Well I agree the right is totally different between the US and Europe. In Europe it's very statist, like the left, but in the US it's very anti-statist, so maybe using the term "the right" is really describing two different things in the US and Europe.
     
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    Can't speak for Europe, but far rightism is dying on the vine in America due to farcical leadership.
     
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    My source for the cartoon video is YouTube.
     
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    Maybe because they have different meanings than over here?
     
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    Wait them right is dying in the US?

    Coulda sworn they were about to take the senate....
     
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    Wow, you pretty much hit the nail on the head. They have been living the liberal progressive life there for years and have finally saw the effects on to much socialism. They have to much debt trying to pay off all those give aways, 5 week vacations after one year. Early retirement and four day work week with the government subsidizing most everything. Taxes keep going up and the government goes deeper in debt.

    Then they also played with open borders. Believing like a lot of Liberals here, if people want to come in, we should let them in. We shouldn't have borders. If they want citizenship, they should give it to them. Not realizing that most are little educated and most will need tax dollars to help them exist. They also realize that very few have ever tried to assimilate into Western culture and have brought all the problems they had with them. They see how wrong they were and now want borders closed. We on the other hand want to go down the same insane route the Europeans did. I guess we are slow learners here.
     
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    [video=youtube;Zz7OziTRNGs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zz7OziTRNGs&feature=youtu.be[/video]
     
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    No, YouTube is not the source. I want to know who made the video.
     
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    Would just like to point out that the "rights" rise in Britain is fueled just as much by the immigration from eastern European country's such as Poland as it is against immigration of muslims. Ironic really as most of the eastern European immigrants are Catholics, and have a positive effect on the birthrate!

    Personally I still see the support for right wing parties in Britain as predominantly a protest vote against the established parties and a disillusion with "mainstream" politics. Very few of the people I have spoken to who have voted for the right have any idea of their chosen parties economic agenda.
     
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    first of all the right isn't dying here in America according to the polls of self identified conservatives. it remained steady at 40% 3 of the last five years dropping by only 2% in the last two years I would hardly call that dying on the vine
     
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    Not surprising given that UKIP, for example, do little else but harp on about about immigration and the EU. I haven't the faintest idea what, if any, their economic policies might be. I'm not sure UKIP have either...
     
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    In answer to the question posed by the thread title--------------because we have ignorant fools like Obama, Reid, and Pelosi running the government. Apparently they are too stupid to see the lessons learned in Europe.
     
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    "The Right" is a very useless word to use in this context. Marine le Pen represents a very different kind of ideology than does the GOP.

    The nationalists are rising in Europe because of much immigration lately, and the tension between the natives and the immigrants. Tensions always rise when bad stuff happens, like an economic crisis. It's two kinds of nationalists movements, the more liberal one, and the old fascist kind. Geert Wilder's PvV would be an example of the former, and the Golden Dawn an example of the latter. And then there's UKIP, which I'd actually just label liberal conservatives. I'd say the right in the US doesn't have much in common with the two first at all, but with UKIP there's some common ground.
     
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    Thats funny, you think there are too many Muslims and I think there are way too many Christians, :roll:
     
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    I think the date I posted that comment might be instructive.
     
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    "Half of Fox News' Viewers Are 68 and Older"
    http://www.theatlantic.com/business...-of-fox-news-viewers-are-68-and-older/283385/

    Also for young people on average Socialism is more favorable than capitalism in their opinion, "socialism has more fans than opponents among the 18-29 crowd. Forty-nine percent of people in that age bracket say they have a positive view of socialism; only 43 percent say they have a negative view."
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/29/young-people-socialism_n_1175218.html
     

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