Why is Trump Getting Attacked for Blaming Both Sides?

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  1. Brewskier

    Brewskier Well-Known Member

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    Obama saying "well Christians do this too" is a deflection from an Islamic terror attack, a form of defense. It's an example of him literally blaming both sides, which the left celebrated him for, and now criticize Trump with doing.

    You can try and justify your double standard any way you wish, but what it ultimately boils down to is you want to redistribute the blame from your allies and put it on your enemies. Nothing too "enlightened" about that, despite the layers of pretense that you add on to it.
     
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    WAN Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And why should he? Racism isn't bad and people who support it aren't wrong.

    Or maybe he didnt condemn "white supremacists" because he does not buy into the garbage notion that racism is evil.
     
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    Gdawg007 Well-Known Member

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    Racism is actually wrong. It's unethical by every modern standard to treat people differently, under the law, based on race. That's the goal of white supremacists under any banner be it neo-Nazi's or the KKK.

    Is it wrong to think or say racist things? Not at all. But they aren't content with that if you read their positions that they make freely available. They want to influence laws and policies to favor their ideas, and that is wrong and by not condemning that, considering they murdered someone with a car, was Trump's political mistake. Hence why he's beaten up over it. It's really quite simple, I shouldn't have to walk you through it.
     
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    WAN Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That is what you personally think. I and a lot of people disagree.
     
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    Gdawg007 Well-Known Member

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    No, he's providing historical context. He didn't blame Christians actions from 1000 years ago for the acts of modern people. He was giving a speech at a religious function to remind them that we all have a history of violence and we should address that violence with that intellectual understanding. If you want to take it the way you want to take it that's fine, but know that you are drawing an illogical conclusion to his words.

    And it doesn't free Trump from his mistake in the least. No matter what someone else did, Trump is accountable for his actions. Not Obama.

    But let's pretend your fairy tale about Obama is truth, then why do two wrongs make a right...?
     
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  6. Brewskier

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    It's about pointing out the hypocrisy of the left — celebrating Obama for "blaming both sides" and chastising Trump for doing the same thing.
     
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    Gdawg007 Well-Known Member

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    It's wrong in that it's unethical. To treat someone differently under the law based solely on race is unethical by the very definition of it. Right and wrong may be the wrong terms to use, but if clinging to that comforts you go for it.
     
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    Even if you accomplished that, which you didn't, Trump was still wrong to not condemn the unethical positions of the white supremacists.
     
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    WAN Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This all boils down to, "hey we do it too, so let's excuse Islam's violence".
     
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    WAN Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    To you only. I don't think there is anything wrong with racism, and I know this raises your blood pressure, lol.
     
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    He also didn't say the use of violence to suppress the right to free speech was wrong.
    Under your argument, this means he supports the antifa terrorists.
    :yawn:
     
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    I understand that as a left-wing progressive you aren't comfortable with Muslims being blamed for Islamic terror attacks without some of the blame also going towards what you perceive to be "white Christians". You'd feel "icky" to have non-white minorities as the sole villain in these stories, so their blame has to be 'redistributed' to lessen the impact. Obama understands this, so he made sure to placate his base whenever these attacks happened, and he was celebrated for it.

    I also understand that as a left-wing progressive you would rather the white racist bogeyman of Charlottesville received 100% of the blame for what happened, and have your left-wing Antifa heroes get exactly 0%, despite their violent history at these protests.

    Again, nothing "enlightened" about this. It's simply advancing your agenda and helping out your "team".
     
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    How is it "wrong" to belief that one race is superior?
     
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    Nope,your interpreting my opinion wrong as usual---So, let me clarify once again --- If there is any group of American's out there that has more of a right to protest which ethnicity should be here in the United States is the Native American's (you know, the people that were here first)everyone else is an immigrant---Got it---
    So,you have groups of immigrants ( i.e., hate groups like the KKK & pro Nazi) that think they have the right to decide for the rest of us who should be here in the United States & who shouldn't--And have no qualms with killing people for their belief---I'm saying these hate groups have no place in the United States .
    And these groups have no honest logical explanation as to why they have these beliefs,except just to have an excuse to carry a loaded gun,carry bats,incite violence & kill people.
    If these groups want to enact change,why don't they do it the way every other group does it--through legislation & peaceful protests ( meaning leave the guns & bats at home,don't call out racial epithets,incite violence & don't kill people)----Got it now---
     
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    I took you words literally and responded to them. No interpretation at all.
    Your original statement:
    In my opinion, the only people in the United States that have a right to protest which nationalities have a right to be here is the Native American's...
    Did you notice how you moved the goalposts? I bet you did.

    According to your standard, white people have no right to protest.
    Nor do blacks. Or Jews.
    Nice.
     
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    So,then,how I interpret your statement is that if you don't think Native American's have the right, then neither do the KKK & pro Nazi---Yeah,now we have total agreement---Yippee--
    You may be right,I am not on the Tribal Role as I was raised off the Reservation,however, Native american blood still runs through my veins,can't vhange that fact--so, don't get your point there at all----
     
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    Care to expand & clarify your statement?
     
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    And again, you are misinterpreting to fit your narrative----I've explained, you just don't want an opinion other than yours----
     
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    That's because the story wasn't about what people believe. It was about violence breaking out at a protest. Violence was the issue. Violence was the crime. Violence is what was being reported. That's what the President was speaking to. Had there been a protest with no violence, there would have been no breaking news. And the President would not have publicly addressed the issue, because there would have been no issue. Everybody knows that the racists were there to legally march in protest of the removal of Confederate statues. And that antifa and blm came to hurt the marchers. It's tedious addressing left wing media parrots.
     
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    My point is that you are not one of the Native Americans who you think should decide who should be put on the trail of tears out of this country.

    It's weird that in the Western Hemisphere, that argument is made for only the United States, and no other country with similar or worse history.
     
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    None of this changes the fact you do not believe everyone has the right to free speech, especially those you disagree with.
    You say so yourself.
     
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    So affirmative action is unethical?
     
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    And my point has always been & will continue to be---that there is no place in this country for hate groups like the KKK & pro Nazi----
    Hey, I agree with you--nobody should decide who stays here & who doesn't & I've explained why----I'm just stating that if any group has more of a right it is the Native American's,not hate groups of immigrants-----that's all----
     

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