Why it is impossible to convince a Trump supporter that he/she may be wrong.

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  1. Vernan89188

    Vernan89188 Well-Known Member

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    Because the second amendment exists.
     
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    Vernan89188 Well-Known Member

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    Lets try out any scenario..What path does Biden have to take guns from your closet, especially with Trumps packed court?
    You wont have an answer..no one will. So there ya go. Done deal.
     
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    You claim there are no fascist govt in the world today. Back it up.
     
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    No you didn’t.
     
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    It's existed for quite a while. That has not made any difference to the current Democratic Party platform, " Democrats will ban the manufacture and sale of assault weapons and high capacity magazines."

    You seem to be taking a position that no one else in your party does.
     
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    What path does Biden have to take guns from your closet, especially since Trump has packed the courts?
     
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    Scenario. Biden wins, and the Dems take the senate, and immediately pass some sort of semi-automatic weapons ban. Sure, it goes to the courts, but that takes years. In the meantime sales are banned and Dems, as they will if they get power like that again, pack the courts. The 16 member Supreme Court rules the second amendment unconstitutional.
     
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    I doubt it..Especially after Sandy Hook..If anything like that was gonna happen it was going to happen then. But thats the game huh? To keep you guys scared someone gonna come for your guns.
     
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    I've already asked you to demonstrate which ones (if any) are "fascist." You've provided not a single legitimate source. I recommended the CIA World Fact book but there are other legitimate sources. Since you demurred I thought you were done being embarrassed by this topic, but OK: name them!
     
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    Sigh..OK see post 334
     
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    So your response is..."I doubt it."

    OK
     
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    No my response is that's not gonna happen..even in your scenario it would take years. And thats if everything goes wrong for your side..I mean everything possible.
     
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    It wouldn't take years. A law could be written and passed in a few weeks.
     
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    Then what stopped Obama?
    Guess what..a little thing called the second amendment. So no..a simple law cannot just "be written". Anything like that would outlast anyone running for the next two terms..Its simply an irrational fear Trump is playing on Americans.
     
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    The 2nd Amendment also existed during 1994 when the federal government enacted the assault weapons ban into law. The law that Joe Biden himself cheers as a personal victory that he helped arbitrate and one that he himself has stated openly and on his own website that he will push to implement again if elected President.

    If the 2nd Amendment is as concrete as you claim then please explain how, within the confines of the 2nd Amendment, the federal government was allowed to instill an assault weapons ban in 1994.
     
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    Possibly to distract from his failed healthcare policies.
     
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    The courts weren't packed by Trump back then were they? You guys have multiple layers of Gun protection. Iv faced it..its a done deal for us. Iv even moved to your side on the issue. There just too many out an about to even pretend any law would solve any gun problem in America today.
     
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    So I focus on more important issues like healthcare. Whats Trumps plan with that?
     
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    Democrats didn't come after our hand guns and out right unconstitutionally ban them in some places?
     
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    Simply because ALL majority opinions, even conservative opinions in all cases involving gun control, emphasized that The second amendment is not absolute and firearms are subject to regulation.
     
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    Types of weapons have always been regulated.
     
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    The 2nd Amendment is in the US Constitution. The US Constitution is a bipartisan thing not subject to ideological opinions regarding its context. So what you have just claimed here is that I should have no fear of the US Constitution being ignored in pursuit of laws because the courts are now packed by Trump (Conservatives).

    Thank you for confirming that I have nothing to fear regarding the upholding of US Constitutional law with a Conservative majority in the Supreme Court. Perhaps if we had a Conservative majority in the Supreme Court in 1994 an Unconstitutional law in direct violation of the 2nd Amendment of the US Constitution would not have been upheld.

    Yet another reason why I voted for Trump
     
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    That still says nothing except claim you have a source that you can’t even show exist .
    You certainly didn’t ask me.
     
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    You Claimed a source that said one way or another. Post it. Give us the address or just stop making up crappolla.
     
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    That would be great for a change. Let’s start with universal background checks for all purchases of firearms and ammunitio along with a federal law requiring a permit to carry any weapon.
     
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